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Genesis 1:26-27 - God as "us" and "our" meaning

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[FONT=&quot]:yes:God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fist of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Genesis 1:26 & 27[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]:yes:God the Master of the universe did not create the planets, earth, and humans on earth; His two small portions (divine souls with fully God natures) created and govern all living creatures, based on the Master’s divine plan and His laws.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]:yes:The “our” and “us” mean that there are two divine souls: one male and one female in one God, and God created human souls, male and female (two genders) in one God’s image. There are many more scriptures recorded in the Bible that reveal the fully God and fully human as “our” and “us” God.[/FONT]
 

kai

ragamuffin
so now we have to get our heads around the father the mother the son the holy ghost but all one and the same
 

shema

Active Member
divinemission said:
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[FONT=&quot]:yes:God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fist of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Genesis 1:26 & 27[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]:yes:God the Master of the universe did not create the planets, earth, and humans on earth; His two small portions (divine souls with fully God natures) created and govern all living creatures, based on the Master’s divine plan and His laws.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]:yes:The “our” and “us” mean that there are two divine souls: one male and one female in one God, and God created human souls, male and female (two genders) in one God’s image. There are many more scriptures recorded in the Bible that reveal the fully God and fully human as “our” and “us” God.[/FONT]

Do you remember the scriptures?
 
[FONT=&quot]I do not remember exactly word-by-word, but I remember the meanings of it.

By the way, there are a lot more scriptures revealed about the God as "us" and "our". The God as "us" and "our" is the reason of Jesus said of he return to earth. But actually he does not return to earth in physical body, but he accompanies the female Divine Soul.

Understand scriptures correct meaning is God's gift! I mean in the way of put the entirely Bible of pieces into a giant puzzle, and speak about details of the picture on the puzzle.:yes::yes:[/FONT]
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zecritr

New Member
shema said:
Do you remember the scriptures?
:yes:

Hi All Heres a different take:
:yes:God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fist of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.”


[FONT=&quot]Genesis 1:26 & 27[/FONT]​
First There is still the Trinity The Father The Son and Mr.Holy Spirit.Now for the Divine Woman.In the creation of "Man"He shows the creation of woman as a reflection of the Creation of Divine Woman.Scriptures for this Proverbs 8.
In Proverbs 7:4 it says to call Her sister.She is also divine because She was made from God Himself(personally i think She is an angel like Jesus was before His incarnation into a physical body,which also leaves open the future possibiltie of Her becoming physically incarnate from the body of Jesus The Messiah:shout )

Some think(mostly everyone)these passages are only metaphorical.Did Jesus?Luke 7:35 and Matthew 11:19.Unless He thought metaphors could have kids.Also as The Son of God knowing that His words have the Holiness of Scripture,His saying what He did,I believe,shows Her to be a Person.

Understand scriptures correct meaning is God's gift! I mean in the way of put the entirely Bible of pieces into a giant puzzle, and speak about details of the picture on the puzzle.

exactly,no need to try and get all "mystical" about it:surf:

zecritr
 

writer

Active Member
2 so now we have to get our heads around the father the mother the son the holy ghost but all one and the same
one's head need not be around someone for him to be true
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
divinemission said:
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[FONT=&quot]:yes:God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fist of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Genesis 1:26 & 27[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]:yes:God the Master of the universe did not create the planets, earth, and humans on earth; His two small portions (divine souls with fully God natures) created and govern all living creatures, based on the Master’s divine plan and His laws.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]:yes:The “our” and “us” mean that there are two divine souls: one male and one female in one God, and God created human souls, male and female (two genders) in one God’s image. There are many more scriptures recorded in the Bible that reveal the fully God and fully human as “our” and “us” God.[/FONT]

This only shows that by creating mankind as two parts, and being in His image, that God is a plurality not that God is male and female. Nice try though. Have your mom explain it to you.
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
It does make me think of an interesting question though. If God is male and the only God as Christianity teaches; he creates Adam from his image, but where does the concept of female come from? You have a world with two beings, both male, the female is competely non-existant at that point. Even with someone who knows all, the idea has to come from some place.
 

PHOTOTAKER

Well-Known Member
cor 8:5-6 kjv
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one cLord Jesus Christ, by whom are dall things, and we by him.

this is one agrument that stands wight on other christian issues but as you can see Paul even states that there are many gods and many lords... also in gensis if adam and eve had eaten the tree of life we would be "as a God" becouse adam and eve "ate the tree of good and evil" and came to the knowlage of the gods... the word "god" is a title, same with "lord" anyone who takes the name of Jesus and becomes his disiple and becomes "lord" as Jesus...
 

writer

Active Member
where does the concept of female come from?
God's eternal purpose, desire (Eph 5:32; Gen 2:18; Rm 5:14b; Isa 54:5; Rm 9:23; Rv 21:2)

the idea has to come from some place.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
divinemission said:
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[FONT=&quot]:yes:God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fist of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.”[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Genesis 1:26 & 27[/FONT]




[FONT=&quot]:yes:God the Master of the universe did not create the planets, earth, and humans on earth; His two small portions (divine souls with fully God natures) created and govern all living creatures, based on the Master’s divine plan and His laws.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]:yes:The “our” and “us” mean that there are two divine souls: one male and one female in one God, and God created human souls, male and female (two genders) in one God’s image. There are many more scriptures recorded in the Bible that reveal the fully God and fully human as “our” and “us” God.[/FONT]

In all these cases, the word translated 'God' is in plural in the Hebrew. It should be

Gods said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fist of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. Gods created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.”

Of course, this Elohim is identified in the second Genesis story as Yahweh - the one God of the Hebrews in Genesis chapter 3.

Usually, the plural Elohim in Genesis is interpreted as the court of Yahweh, and includes the heavenly beings that surround and worship Yahweh. The plural nature of divinity Genesis reflects a henotheistic Judaism (or Hebrew religions) that existed before the exile, when Judaism became monotheistic.

notes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

Burnett, Joel S., 1968- A reassessment of biblical Elohim / Joel S. Burnett. Atlanta, GA : Society of Biblical Literature, c2001

Those elusive Deuteronomists : the phenomenon of Pan-Deuteronomism / edited by Linda S. Schearing & Steven L. McKenzie. Sheffield, Eng. : Sheffield Academic Press, c1999.

No Other Gods: Emergent Monotheism in Israelby Robert Karl Gnuse. JSOT Sup 241.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
BruceDLimber said:
I agree with Booko:

Haven't you heard of the "royal we?!"

Best,

Bruce

The royal we is an English phenomenon and not present in ancient Hebrew culture.
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
Sha'ul/Paul said "do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you.
Learn the wisdom of the Aleph Bet and the wisdom of it's Rabbi's, if you wish to walk "Complete and upright" with your new wisdom granted to you via the "word became flesh and dwelt among us,"
Remember that the chicken was created that laid the egg!
If you are grafted into the root, accept the "Life giving sap" then your branch will be fruitful.

Shalom
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
The defender's notes in the KJV read
"God is, as it were, taking counsel here with Himself, not with angels, since man was to be made in the image of God, not of angels. "Our image," therefore, implies human likeness to the triune Godhead. Plants possess a body and animals possess a body and consciousness; man was not only to have a body (of the created "earth") and a consciousness (of the created "soul"), but man was also to possess a third created entity, the image of God, an eternal spirit capable of communion and fellowship with his Creator."

There's also this rather tongue-in-cheek piece from:-http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/eden.html
Adam

Okay, so God created Adam in his own image. Physically or spiritually, whatever.

Did Adam have the standard male genitals? (most of you are probably familiar with them, one way or another). Now, I could understand God giving Adam a penis; after all, when you urinate it's handy to be able to aim somewhere convenient. But did he have testicles? Unless I've missed something, the sole purpose of testes is reproduction.

( What other use do they have? Maybe in the days before Eve, they served some other purpose. Perhaps they were some sort of alarm system, that lit up and made loud hooting noises if Adam strayed too close to a cliff edge or was about to eat something poisonous? )
My point? Well, God created Eve so that Adam would not be lonely. Why did he give Adam testes at the start unless he already knew that he would have to create Eve also? Why not just create the two of them (Adam and Eve, that is) at the same time? What use are male reproductive organs without the complimentary female ones?
Perhaps when God made Eve, he did a little extra surgery on Adam whilst he slept, and furnished him with the appropriate equipment. Imagine his surprise when he woke up!
Eve

Why did God create Eve from one of Adam's ribs? He created Adam from dust, what's the big deal about creating another one without having to do a bit of surgery on poor old Adam? You'd think an omnipotent being would be a bit more organised...
( And, of course, there's the story of Lillith - Eve was not the first woman, she came in second (or maybe even third...)).
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
michel said:
The defender's notes in the KJV read
"God is, as it were, taking counsel here with Himself, not with angels, since man was to be made in the image of God, not of angels. "Our image," therefore, implies human likeness to the triune Godhead. Plants possess a body and animals possess a body and consciousness; man was not only to have a body (of the created "earth") and a consciousness (of the created "soul"), but man was also to possess a third created entity, the image of God, an eternal spirit capable of communion and fellowship with his Creator."

What makes this interpretation unacceptable is that the writers, audiences, and transmitters of the texts quoted (Genesis) had no clue about the Trinity until at least the fourth century CE, scores of hundreds of years after the text's origin.
 

writer

Active Member
15 Usually, the plural Elohim in Genesis is interpreted as the court of Yahweh, and includes the heavenly beings that surround and worship Yahweh.
which's a mistake, since Elohim "created" in Gen 1:1 is singular verb

The plural nature of divinity Genesis reflects a henotheistic Judaism (or Hebrew religions) that existed before the exile, when Judaism became monotheistic.
To the contrary, Genesis' author, Moses, was neither polytheistic nor henotheistic.
When he wrote Genesis (1500ish BC). Near a millenium before the exile

16 The royal we is an English phenomenon and not present in ancient Hebrew culture.
This's accurate. At least as applied to Jehovah Elohim, in Genesis and Isaiah

18 man was not only to have a body (of the created "earth") and a consciousness (of the created "soul"), but man was also to possess a third created entity,
we're tri-partite, basically. This's both NT and O,
1 Thes 5:23; Gen 2:7; Zech 12:1; Job 32:8; Heb 4:12; Lk 1:46-47; 1 Cor 2:14

Why not just create the two of them (Adam and Eve, that is) at the same time?
Becuz the 2nd comes from the 1st,
the church comes from Christ

Why did God create Eve from one of Adam's ribs?
"That He might create the two in Himself into one new man, in one Body to God through the cross"
Eph 2:15

what's the big deal about creating another one without having to do a bit of surgery on poor old Adam? You'd think an omnipotent being would be a bit more organised...
He was extremely organized. That's His eternal purpose, Acts 2:23; Eph 3:11; 1:11.
The big deal's that she's not merely created for Him: she's created of Him,
Jn 19:34; 12:24; 3:29, 15-16

19 What makes this interpretation unacceptable is that the writers, audiences, and transmitters of the texts quoted (Genesis) had no clue about the Trinity until at least the fourth century CE, scores of hundreds of years after the text's origin.
That's mistaken. Given both that the Triune Godhead inspired Genesis and the rest of the OT, from the second it was written down; the Triune God became flesh in the Son in Jesus Christ from Nazareth; and the NT record was written and completed in the 1st century AD. Not the 4th.
As Moses and other wrote throughout the law and prophets (however less clear was their revelation than Jesus' and Paul's words):
Jehovah had both a Spirit and an Angel. Which r both Jehovah Himself,
Gen 1:2; 22:15-16; Malachi 3:1; Isaiah 61:1; etc
 
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