The Reason Science Is Flawed

Spirit of Light · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

W.I.L.D. (wake induced lucid dream) and W.B.T.S. (wake back to sleep) are just some of the methods you can use to take control of your energy body (dream body)(soul). These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here. I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time. Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

I have been on a spiritual journey for longer than 20 years and never needed to go out of my body to find the proof that spiritual realms exists

all exist inward, that said there are still a lot to realize

FocusedIntent · Dec 29, 2020

Conscious thoughts said:
I have been on a spiritual journey for longer than 20 years and never needed to go out of my body to find the proof that spiritual realms exists all exist inward, that said there are still a lot to realize

I agree, everything exists within you and that which appears to be outside of you is an illusion created to trap your attention. I wish you safe journeys may you find your way back home.

George-ananda · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

W.I.L.D. (wake induced lucid dream) and W.B.T.S. (wake back to sleep) are just some of the methods you can use to take control of your energy body (dream body)(soul). These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here. I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time. Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

I am already a believer in the science and spiritual stuff you talked about but I wonder if you are underestimating the challenge of an average person having an out of body experience.

I think if it was any mean feat the controversy wouldn't exist.

exchemist · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective. You are a powerful energetic consciousness that creates your subjective reality this is why you are constantly at the center of your universe. The brain does not create consciousness it merely acts as a filter for it.

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

W.I.L.D. (wake induced lucid dream) and W.B.T.S. (wake back to sleep) are just some of the methods you can use to take control of your energy body (dream body)(soul). These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here. I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time. Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

On what grounds do you claim "the truth" is that reality is subjective?

There seems to be abundant evidence that most of the things one person observes are also observed by others in a very similar way: similar enough for us to be able to agree on scientific theories that predict how nature will seem - to all of us - to behave. If that does not demonstrate an objective reality, then it is close enough to do as one for practical purposes.

McBell · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
It may take longer for some than others as with anything, but so long as you take it seriously and don't quickly give up there is nobody that can't do it... Do it today!

That is an overly worded yes, is it not?

Mr Spinkles · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
When we interact we interact with each others reality. I'm not saying that you can't effect another person's reality. The difference is that you may interpret sensory data you receive vastly different then me. Children are all subconsciously taught to interpret the world in a similar way. This is done with the internal dialogue that runs in your head constantly telling your story about what you believe reality is. If you can change your internal dialogue you will change your perception of reality. That is why if you want to change something about yourself you must first change what you think about yourself.

Fascinating. If I may ask: suppose you wired everything in your bank account to me. I would interpret that sensory data very positively.

Would you interpret this “vastly differently”? Why don’t you wire me a few thousand bucks and let’s compare interpretations!

FocusedIntent · Dec 29, 2020

George-ananda said:
I am already a believer in the science and spiritual stuff you talked about but I wonder if you are underestimating the challenge of an average person having an out of body experience.

I think if it was any mean feat the controversy wouldn't exist.

I promise you it isn't as hard as you think it is... Literally everybody is doing it every night without even realizing it.

If your up for the challenge I can get you out of your body in a week.

The reason most people fail is:

1. They don't try.
2. They go into it with bad expectations and put forth little effort
3. They quickly give up before they start to see any results (like someone that quits working out at a gym after a week because they don't see a change in their muscles)

McBell · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
I promise you it isn't as hard as you think it is... Literally everybody is doing it every night without even realizing it.

If your up for the challenge I can get you out of your body in a week.

The reason most people fail is:

1. They don't try.
2. They go into it with bad expectations and put forth little effort
3. They quickly give up before they start to see any results (like someone that quits working out at a gym after a week because they don't see a change in their muscles)

So basically, what post #2 is all about...

metis · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe.

You are operating on the internet that was created and designed by scientists , and using a computer that also was created and designed by scientists. Along with this, hopefully millions of lives will be saved by vaccines created and designed by scientists. So, what has W.I.L.D. done that can match this?

I do believe in having a "spiritual nature", but not at the expense of science.

icehorse · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe. The truth is that reality is subjective.

AFAIK, "science" acknowledges when things can be seen as mostly objective and when things are subjective.

stvdv · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe.

"science is fundamentally flawed"
I think you mean with this, that science can never prove "spiritual matters". With that I agree.
Science is useful (not flawed) for worldly stuff though

FocusedIntent said:
For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature. You don't have to take my word on anything you can all go out of body quite easily and that is all the proof you will ever need. Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams. Anyone that does not believe in a soul or an energy body you can astral project and experience it for yourself in fact you do this every night even if you don't remember your dreams....

These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods
I guarantee that anyone can get out of body in just a couple weeks of trying sometimes only takes a few days depends on your determination.

This is a good point. I have mentioned it also quite a few times.

Maybe not all will be able to do this today, though. I mean, not all people are good in math, and even if studying very hard, some people won't be able to get a university degree. And some are brainwashed into believing that this type of exercise is from the Devil, so they are emotional incapable of even trying it. And many don't have the interest to even try it, so they won't manage.

But to make claims about this, without having put in the needed effort is not sensible, not scientific.

FocusedIntent · Dec 29, 2020

exchemist said:
On what grounds do you claim "the truth" is that reality is subjective?

There seems to be abundant evidence that most of the things one person observes are also observed by others in a very similar way: similar enough for us to be able to agree on scientific theories that predict how nature will seem - to all of us - to behave. If that does not demonstrate an objective reality, then it is close enough to do as one for practical purposes.

That's one of people's biggest flaws is basing their reality off of other people's reality. Some people may interpret things in a very similar manner to you and others may interpret reality very different. People that interpret reality vastly different are often locked up in an institution and called crazy. Many of these people have strong psychic abilities and because their mind is more open they often come under spiritual attack. We are in the predatory parasitic realm after all that's why they call it the fall of man.

sun rise · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science can not explain anything

That is not true. Science does a wonderful job in explaining how the universe works. The products of science are what you use to enter your ideas here. So if science could not explain anything, computers, the internet and RF would not exist.

FocusedIntent said:
Yes, everything you observe in the "physical" is an illusion.

Because I accept 'maya', that does not mean that spirituality overrides the physical universe. From the point of view you assert, I reply that science is how we understand the rules (laws) about how maya functions .

George-ananda · Dec 29, 2020

metis said:
You are operating on the internet that was created and designed by scientists , and using a computer that also was created and designed by scientists. Along with this, hopefully millions of lives will be saved by vaccines created and designed by scientists. So, what has W.I.L.D. done that can match this?

It can teach us about the nature of our reality. We are not just physical beings

metis said:
I do believe in having a "spiritual nature", but not at the expense of science.

He is not talking about harming science but rather pushing it up the court.

FocusedIntent · Dec 29, 2020

stvdv said:
"science is fundamentally flawed"
I think you mean with this, that science can never prove "spiritual matters". With that I agree.
Science is useful (not flawed) for worldly stuff though

This is a good point. I have mentioned it also quite a few times.

Maybe not all will be able to do this today, though. I mean, not all people are good in math, and even if studying very hard, some people won't be able to get a university degree. And some are brainwashed into believing that this type of exercise is from the Devil, so they are emotional incapable of even trying it. And many don't have the interest to even try it, so they won't manage.

But to make claims about this, without having put in the needed effort is not sensible, not scientific.

That is the predicament that they find themselves in. It is not scientific for them to dismiss this without properly studying it, but by studying it all their scientific theories will be shattered and they will have to admit that not only are they wrong about the true nature of reality, (All Is Mind) but that they have blatantly been lying to people for years brainwashing children and this they will never do so they must keep trying to sweep this under the rug.

The difference between somebody being good at math is that you are a soul. There is not some people that are better at being a soul then others. The fish have just forgotten that they are fish and they deny that they come from the water. But once you throw that fish back into the water it knows how to swim because it is a fish.

exchemist · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
That's one of people's biggest flaws is basing their reality off of other people's reality. Some people may interpret things in a very similar manner to you and others may interpret reality very different. People that interpret reality vastly different are often locked up in an institution and called crazy. Many of these people have strong psychic abilities and because their mind is more open they often come under spiritual attack. We are in the predatory parasitic realm after all that's why they call it the fall of man.

And are you writing from one of these institutions, then?

FocusedIntent · Dec 29, 2020

sun rise said:
That is not true. Science does a wonderful job in explaining how the universe works. The products of science are what you use to enter your ideas here. So if science could not explain anything, computers, the internet and RF would not exist.

Because I accept 'maya', that does not mean that spirituality overrides the physical universe. From the point of view you assert, I reply that science is how we understand the rules (laws) about how maya functions .

Science does a horrible job at explaining how the universe works. It can't explain anything about the universe especially how any of this came into existence. There are no rules or laws that the universe must follow this is all a mental construct. Maya is a predatory reality, so therefor it is coming from a predatory consciousness which is feeding off your energy when you focus your attention here.

oldbadger · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
Science is fundamentally flawed because it's operating off the flawed assumption that there is an objective reality to study and observe.

Do you mean I can get to the Seychelles Sun without getting on a 'plane?

For those that do not believe in spiritual matters, I challenge you to explore your spiritual nature.

That's liking asking a person who believes that science is flawed to explore how an electric kettle works.

Dreaming is a form of unconscious astral projection, but you can turn your dreams into lucid dreams.

Oh....Great! Last night I dreamed that I parked my wife's jeep somewhere and forgot where I'd left it. What a bloody nightmare....... and you want it to be real?

These scientific minded people on here are always demanding proof for a soul, well what are you waiting for go try these methods and report your findings back here.

Have our miniature dachshunds got souls? Have our ducks got souls?
Please let me know about dachshunds and ducks. And sparrows. And locusts?

To deny your spiritual nature is like a fish denying that it comes from the water. Sad and ridiculous at the same time.

You can hear fish speaking to you?

Because you deny your true nature you give your creative powers to others who manipulate you into creating a reality that doesn't benefit you, but benefits them...

Others? Just tell me who these nasties are and I'll go get 'em!

oldbadger · Dec 29, 2020

exchemist said:
And are you writing from one of these institutions, then?

Are there any left in UK? I thought Mrs Thatcher closed them all down and introduced us to 'care in the community'??

How d'yer think I'm free?

stvdv · Dec 29, 2020

FocusedIntent said:
That is the predicament that they find themselves in. It is not scientific for them to dismiss this without properly studying it, but by studying it all their scientific theories will be shattered and they will have to admit that not only are they wrong about the true nature of reality, (All Is Mind) but that they have blatantly been lying to people for years brainwashing children and this they will never do so they must keep trying to sweep this under the rug.

Yes, that is really a tough one to admit. I always thought "maybe God exists ... even if I don't understand it now ... it's better to keep an open mind"

FocusedIntent said:
The difference between somebody being good at math is that you are a soul. There is not some people that are better at being a soul then others. The fish have just forgotten that they are fish and they deny that they come from the water. But once you throw that fish back into the water it knows how to swim because it is a fish.

Of course I know this (that the soul needs no degree)

I just showed with my example, that some people are too much brainwashed to be able to admit or even see the spiritual truth, as you also clearly showed in first quote. The problem is our desires (or our attachment to our desires), and not all are good in letting go of them (some are better in introspection than others .... like some are better in math than others ... I did not imply that you need math or something similar).

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