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Well now, this is scary and disconcerting

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Ratikala ji, I have a question on this.

most importantly done with the wrong motivation , yes , look at it closely a while back covering this subject I said the result of tantra done incorectly results in delusion , you say mental breakdown , yes simply an overload of delusional thinking .

What would wrong motivation be? Personal or material gain? Using the practice for doing harm to someone (or at least thinking you are)? What sorts of things would cause the delusion?

If the desire and motivation is to do good for others (bodhicitta), or to receive darshan of and communion with God, is that a proper motivation as long as one remembers that the rewards are only as good as the efforts made? That is, not expecting more; deluding oneself into thinking it will come quickly?

on one hand I agree with the practicing by onself , I did it for years before joining a school , which I then had to leave because of mall practices , had I not studdied alone I would not even have known that some of their behavior was wrong ! but on the other hand one can practice eight fold path alone one can meditate but is not realy practicing tantra without the initiation and blessing to do so .and that I am firm on !

It seems this is more important even than initiation into a mantra by a guru.
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
I intend a longer post at some point but don't have time now:

In short, aside from the historical abuse of fear, power and secrecy to build up institutions staffed by those selected as boys from rich noble and merchant families, or the families of already powerful, quasi-dynastic monks, a major reason why this treasurehouse needs to be radically and revolutionarily opened, casting off all of the old bonds and fears is presented serially as follows:

One of the marks of readiness for tantric practice is the absence of fear at the prospect of things going wrong. I am not sure I agree, by the way, with the characterization of tantra and vajrayana as fancy, when in my mind, vajrayana practices are the most direct, eliminating need for extensive bulwarks of theory and enumerative lists galore.

It gets right to the heart of the matter; the union of compassion and wisdom, the reconciliation of all dualistic paradigms. This union, which requires the practitioner to regard all beings with the most intimate sympathy, universalizes the sense of self-cherishing which is constantly engaged in limited, ego-driven externalizations; projecting limited cherishing on this or that person. Radical adoration/compassion clears all of this away and presents a panorama of compassionate absorption which is equally empathetic with the suffering of all beings, and sympathetically joyful with their spiritual progress and aspiration, conveying to all beings the universal liberative art.

In regarding each and every being the aspirant is required to see them as the embodiment of the universal union of the guru and dakini, the merger of the absolutely pure motivation for eternal universal service, and all-encompassing insight which turns away nothing as separate from itself.

We haven't got an excuse anymore to hide away the teachings from the supposedly unworthy thru a system of selection that ostensibly, and in its doctrine quite reasonably, presents itself as making sure that people don't hurt themselves and others with teachings improper to their level of evolution, in reality conserves these doctrines mostly to those who are unworthy of learning them, much less teaching and stewarding them.

And the main reason we don't have an excuse is because the world is, as Dyanaprajna said, literally going to hell. Civilization will collapse within 150 years (probably much sooner), and humanity is likely to go extinct before the fun is over. Even right now, 50,000+ species are going extinct per year, and this number is both growing and accelerating - and it is directly due to human industrial activity.

We are quite literally destroying our own life support mechanism. There is a lot of built in redundancy in biodiversity - many species doing the same biochemical input/output or structural role, a link in a chain of chemical and physiological dependencies. But remove enough species, and you start losing roles.

Aside from the myriad ecological & environmental problems, there's also the simple problem of resource shortage: we are running out, in the near future, of water, oil, phosphate (needed for fertilizer to maintain agricultural production levels) and other key commodities without which our industrial economy cannot function. These alone could spell the end of 'modern' civilization and the collapse of world population down to a paltry figuring, eking out a halflife amongst the shattered remains.

Given that this is the case, what does this mean karmically? I cannot imagine a greater crime than destroying a species, let alone 50-99% of all the species on the planet. We are all accomplices in this crime, unwitting though we be, we are trapped by our participation in civilization to be so. We share the responsibility, though we don't want things to be this way. Most of us are completely ignorant as to even being accomplices.

That may spare us from blame to a degree, but it certainly won't spare us from the consequences. It is we who will have to pay the butcher's bill, and that means the consequences we see in our own lives, and those of our descendants, and also... our rebirths.

if we eliminate most life from the planet, especially higher lifeforms which, as the preeminent biologist E.O. Wilson said in his 2002 book, The Future of Life, will be half gone, at the least, by 2100, as what sort of life forms, exactly, will we be reborn as?

That is a massive karmic reset and a victory for the forces of Mara to reduce our mindstreams back to the lowly realms of animals and hungry ghosts as penalty for our own blind ambition as a civilization. Imagine the scale of suffering and ignorance that we will have to once more endure to get back to something like our present state, an organism neurologically complex enough to realize its own Buddha nature as the already self-perfected and inate potential.

We have little reason then to worry about the consequences of tantric yoga / vajrayana, when we're already damned by default. We NEED vajrayana to awaken enough people quickly enough within the next 20 years to avert the crisis that is not only coming in the future but already here amongst us, already casting a pall of suffering across much of the world's population.

The buddhadharma has become mostly counterfeit, exactly as Shakyamuni Buddha predicted 2500 years ago in the Manjusri sutras.

Let the treasurehouse be opened, let the secrets be made open, and let the truth be its own protection.
 
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ratikala

Istha gosthi
dear jainarayan,


given that we are speaking very genneraly here bear in mind that I am giving a very general answer .

Ratikala ji, I have a question on this.

What would wrong motivation be? Personal or material gain? Using the practice for doing harm to someone (or at least thinking you are)? What sorts of things would cause the delusion?

personal or material gain , certainly , but from my experience what I am seeing is slightly more subtle , for example many practitioners and I am talking about ones I have practiced along side , are taking to tantric practice because it looks and sounds appealing , ok concider that this is normal for someone to be interested in something that looks and sounds attractive ! so I am not criticising simply observing . our minds are wired to do interesting , to do unusual , to do special !and our minds tend to avoid simple plain methodical aplication , so I am seeing too much of a tendancy for facination , wanting to do the fancy stuff , wanting to wave implimants about , be proficient in mudras and chant powerfull mantras , and not enough foundation work , not enough simple practice ,not enough understanding exactly what it is that you are doing ! it is human nature people like to feel special , to feel that what they are doing is in some way advanced practice . the school I studied with held initiation ceremonys at semi regular intivals , to some it became almost a race to see who could gather the most empowerments !and to hanker after the blessing to practice yet another sadhana before fully assimilating the one they have just received .

to my mind this is wrong motivation , we should not be collecting trophies , we should be devoting our selves to getting one practice right before contemplating taking on any other .

am I sugesting that there is ego involved ? yes this is our natural deluded state , but to practice with pure motivation one needs give up the attatchment to our self interest and do it because it needs to be done , because we recognise it and for no other reason .

If the desire and motivation is to do good for others (bodhicitta), or to receive darshan of and communion with God, is that a proper motivation as long as one remembers that the rewards are only as good as the efforts made? That is, not expecting more; deluding oneself into thinking it will come quickly?

a true bohisattva has no thought for reward , he/she simply recognises the need and acts upon it ,as does a vaisnava recognise his duty .and will endure what ever needs enduring inorder to fullfill their vow .



It seems this is more important even than initiation into a mantra by a guru.
yes and no , not quite comparable but I wouldnt underestimate the importance in either case .
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
dear shuddhasattva ji ,

I intend a longer post at some point but don't have time now:

prabhu ji , you are supposed to be having a break , now I feel responcible for destracting you from your work because I am crossing into some areas which I know concern you greatly .

my appologies if my comments aren't in total agreement with your veiw but Iwould ask you to forgive my tollerance as there is method to my madness :namaste

I am by no way condoning many ignorances present in the system but simply would like to raise some points for concideration .
In short, aside from the historical abuse of fear, power and secrecy to build up institutions staffed by those selected as boys from rich noble and merchant families, or the families of already powerful, quasi-dynastic monks, a major reason why this treasurehouse needs to be radically and revolutionarily opened, casting off all of the old bonds and fears is presented serially as follows:

One of the marks of readiness for tantric practice is the absence of fear at the prospect of things going wrong. I am not sure I agree, by the way, with the characterization of tantra and vajrayana as fancy, when in my mind, vajrayana practices are the most direct, eliminating need for extensive bulwarks of theory and enumerative lists galore.
this is perfectly true if as I had said the motivation is correct ,

excuse my flipant use of the expression fancy , I am simply pointing at the ficckle tendancy in human nature for facination ,
neither am I an advocate of extensive theorising , I am an advocate if solid practice .
It gets right to the heart of the matter; the union of compassion and wisdom,
yes if one is actualy practicing it rather than fancying that they practice it .

This union, which requires the practitioner to regard all beings with the most intimate sympathy, universalizes the sense of self-cherishing which is constantly engaged in limited, ego-driven externalizations; projecting limited cherishing on this or that person.
and to acheive this one needs guidance to some extent followed by practice .

In regarding each and every being the aspirant is required to see them as the embodiment of the universal union of the guru and dakini, the merger of the absolutely pure motivation for eternal universal service, and all-encompassing insight which turns away nothing as separate from itself.
We haven't got an excuse anymore to hide away the teachings from the supposedly unworthy thru a system of selection that ostensibly, and in its doctrine quite reasonably, presents itself as making sure that people don't hurt themselves and others with teachings improper to their level of evolution, in reality conserves these doctrines mostly to those who are unworthy of learning them, much less teaching and stewarding them.
the teachings are not hidden , but I have to ask what use are they in the hands of those not adequately taught to use them ?
And the main reason we don't have an excuse is because the world is, as Dyanaprajna said, literally going to hell. Civilization will collapse within 150 years (probably much sooner), and humanity is likely to go extinct before the fun is over. Even right now, 50,000+ species are going extinct per year, and this number is both growing and accelerating - and it is directly due to human industrial activity.
civilisation has been collapsing for many aeons it is simply that as it degenerates it excellerates , I agree wholeheartedly that are not only going to hell but being subjected to hell all around us ,it is here ! and again whole heartedly support your concerns about the needless destruction caused by our own deluded greed .
We are quite literally destroying our own life support mechanism. There is a lot of built in redundancy in biodiversity - many species doing the same biochemical input/output or structural role, a link in a chain of chemical and physiological dependencies. But remove enough species, and you start losing roles.
and for these reasons we should be practicing fewness of wishes , but even with such practices there is imperminance to be taken into concideration , this planet , this solar system is not eternal .
however I agree it does not give us right to abuse the situation .

but we must allso question why are we clinging to the idea of life , do you want future births ? when we know life is imperminent why cling to it .

again I stress that gives us no right to abbuse the system whilst here .

Aside from the myriad ecological & environmental problems, there's also the simple problem of resource shortage: we are running out, in the near future, of water, oil, phosphate (needed for fertilizer to maintain agricultural production levels) and other key commodities without which our industrial economy cannot function. These alone could spell the end of 'modern' civilization and the collapse of world population down to a paltry figuring, eking out a halflife amongst the shattered remains.
Given that this is the case, what does this mean karmically? I cannot imagine a greater crime than destroying a species, let alone 50-99% of all the species on the planet. We are all accomplices in this crime, unwitting though we be, we are trapped by our participation in civilization to be so. We share the responsibility, though we don't want things to be this way. Most of us are completely ignorant as to even being accomplices.
you have hit it squair on the head , this is samsaric existance , dukka !
the only way to stop it is to rise above it .
cease to be reborn to it .

a bodhisattva can libberate others by the strength of his prayer , one does not need to take birth to benifit others .
That may spare us from blame to a degree, but it certainly won't spare us from the consequences. It is we who will have to pay the butcher's bill, and that means the consequences we see in our own lives, and those of our descendants, and also... our rebirths.
I have no decendants I chose not to give birth to the house of continued suffering , but as beings are still karmicaly bound they will be born none the less , so my part in this world ? assist in what ever small capacity possible to raise conciousness , not through opinion but through necesity .
if we eliminate most life from the planet, especially higher lifeforms which, as the preeminent biologist E.O. Wilson said in his 2002 book, The Future of Life, will be half gone, at the least, by 2100, as what sort of life forms, exactly, will we be reborn as?
with our birth was sewn the seed of our death , we can avoid it no other way than to seek liberation from birth and death .this was the buddhas message .
That is a massive karmic reset and a victory for the forces of Mara to reduce our mindstreams back to the lowly realms of animals and hungry ghosts as penalty for our own blind ambition as a civilization. Imagine the scale of suffering and ignorance that we will have to once more endure to get back to something like our present state, an organism neurologically complex enough to realize its own Buddha nature as the already self-perfected and inate potential.
is this not allready a society of hungry ghosts and hell beings ?

in human form or other form the suffering is the same .
except in animal form we lack the reasoning to elevate ourselves .
but by dint of our actions we may well forgo the blessing of a human birth .

We have little reason then to worry about the consequences of tantric yoga / vajrayana, when we're already damned by default. We NEED vajrayana to awaken enough people quickly enough within the next 20 years to avert the crisis that is not only coming in the future but already here amongst us, already casting a pall of suffering across much of the world's population.
death canot be averted , life may be prolonged and the quality maintained further but death is inevitable .
The buddhadharma has become mostly counterfeit, exactly as Shakyamuni Buddha predicted 2500 years ago in the Manjusri sutras.
not entirely you , I and many others fight to keep it from sinking , what we need is a truely combined effort which would take total dedication and surrender of personal opinion .
Let the treasurehouse be opened, let the secrets be made open, and let the truth be its own protection.
It is open !we have the most perfect dharma expounded by the buddha himself, we simply need to practice it , the truth will reveal it self .

vajrayana , mahayana , theravada , each poses the same wisdom , each respectively posess pitfalls whereby delusion and bad practices are possible ,
therefore if you have the good fortune to meet with the teachings of either one , count your blessings and practice diligently .
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
ratikala said:
the problem that I have experienced coming up against the western take on buddhism is that they like the fancy bits , all the dramatic stuff , but feel them selves to be above the hard work basic teachings .

Yes, this is most certainly true. I think part of this comes from the idea that most of these people came from Christianity, particularly Protestant Christianity, where one gets salvation, eternity in heaven, for free, without any work whatsoever, and they try to apply this same concept to Buddhism, which simply doesn't work.

but because of the age we live in we need simple practice 'eight fold path' , that is the dharma the buddha of this age taught .

Yes, this. It's the simplest things of Buddhism that can do so much good. But people want to add onto it, and keep adding on things, when the basics are enough.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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personal or material gain , certainly , but from my experience what I am seeing is slightly more subtle , for example many practitioners and I am talking about ones I have practiced along side , are taking to tantric practice because it looks and sounds appealing ...

so I am seeing too much of a tendancy for facination , wanting to do the fancy stuff , wanting to wave implimants about , be proficient in mudras and chant powerfull mantras , and not enough foundation work , not enough simple practice ,not enough understanding exactly what it is that you are doing ! it is human nature people like to feel special , to feel that what they are doing is in some way advanced practice . ...

This all makes sense. People want to belong to "secret societies" and have arcane knowledge that others don't. They want to be separate from the crowd. I agree that's the wrong motivation. This is kind of the thing dyanaprajna and I talked about with westerners and Buddhism. To some it's exotic and it looks exotic to people around them. It's basically showing off. If that's the reason for any practice, then it's absolutely wrong. If any harm comes, it will be the person's own doing for expecting something they can never get.

a true bohisattva has no thought for reward , he/she simply recognises the need and acts upon it ,as does a vaisnava recognise his duty .and will endure what ever needs enduring inorder to fullfill their vow .

Reward is the wrong word... effect is a better one. But even then it doesn't really convey what I mean. You do something out of duty or compassion the best you can, and it should provide the proper effect or outcome. The outcome or benefit is not for you, but the other person or being.

Let's say you receive a gift card from your job for a supermarket or clothing store. Sure, you could use it, but you donate it to a homeless shelter or a church or an animal shelter anonymously. You do it because it's the right thing to do, but you do it in God's service.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
dear prabhu ji's
Yes, this. It's the simplest things of Buddhism that can do so much good. But people want to add onto it, and keep adding on things, when the basics are enough.


exactly , the buddha taught a simple , direct and un complicated path to enlightenment to which non atatchment was the key ,the buddha also prophesised the decline of the teachings as he knew the tendancy within human nature to cling to and justify its own ignorance .

although I allways held the belief that the buddha left secret teachings those I beleive were for the highly advanced practitioners , thus a high level of advancement needs to be reached to take in the true meaning of the esoteric teachings .

we need to be honest with ourselves and not cling to false ideas about ourselves and our abilities .otherwise we are simply feeding the ego .
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
This all makes sense. People want to belong to "secret societies" and have arcane knowledge that others don't. They want to be separate from the crowd. I agree that's the wrong motivation.

this is attatchment , we are supposed to be cutting through attatchment !
yes it is wrong motivation , but to be fair it is also quite natural for human nature to do this , for that reason it is more deluded veiw , confused motivation . but still wrong , prehaps it would be more benificial to discuss what constitutes correct motivation :)

This is kind of the thing dyanaprajna and I talked about with westerners and Buddhism. To some it's exotic and it looks exotic to people around them. It's basically showing off. If that's the reason for any practice, then it's absolutely wrong. If any harm comes, it will be the person's own doing for expecting something they can never get.
the greatest harm comes to the dharma as a whole as it becomes obscured by fancifull notions and practices , thus buddha fortold of the decline in buddha dharma , knowing human nature he could see the inevitable which we still fail to comprehend .


Reward is the wrong word... effect is a better one. But even then it doesn't really convey what I mean. You do something out of duty or compassion the best you can, and it should provide the proper effect or outcome. The outcome or benefit is not for you, but the other person or being.
if you used reward ? I am quite happy , yes we invariably want an end result , a reward !even if not for ourselves , we invisage some favorable conditions for others .

here lay the difference , doing something because it should be done , we do not think of the outcome but of the deed .

krsna speaks of this in the gita advising us not to be attatched to the result !
Let's say you receive a gift card from your job for a supermarket or clothing store. Sure, you could use it, but you donate it to a homeless shelter or a church or an animal shelter anonymously. You do it because it's the right thing to do, but you do it in God's service.
beautifull !this is practicing fewness of wishes , taking what one needs and sharing the remainder .
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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this is attatchment , we are supposed to be cutting through attatchment !

Yes, yes, that's it... attachment to be cut through like hacking through the jungle with a machete (where do I get this stuff!? :facepalm:).

yes it is wrong motivation , but to be fair it is also quite natural for human nature to do this , for that reason it is more deluded veiw , confused motivation . but still wrong , prehaps it would be more benificial to discuss what constitutes correct motivation :)

Positive reinforcement always works better than punishment. We train dogs by rewarding them for good behavior, not punishing them for not doing correctly.

the greatest harm comes to the dharma as a whole as it becomes obscured by fancifull notions and practices , thus buddha fortold of the decline in buddha dharma , knowing human nature he could see the inevitable which we still fail to comprehend .

It seems he foretold Kali Yuga.

if you used reward ? I am quite happy , yes we invariably want an end result , a reward !even if not for ourselves , we invisage some favorable conditions for others .

Yes, I said just recently somewhere that maybe it's not so bad to be happy for others, as long as we realize there is a very fine line between happiness for someone else because they received some good fortune, and considering yourself the source of their good fortune. Do something for someone but don't think you did it. Be happy for them as if someone else helped them. Sounds weird, I know. :eek:
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
Yes, yes, that's it... attachment to be cut through like hacking through the jungle with a machete (where do I get this stuff!? :facepalm:).

from watching too much telivision ?

excuse me , I jest ! ....to be honest it is your attatchment so you can do battle with it in whch ever way you like , however you envisage it , if it feels like a jungle then go hack it to bits , Im sure it beats taking ones frustration out on some inocent passer by , a good fight with ones inner demons can be very enjoyable .
after all isnt this just visualisation ?
so if it works dont knock it :D

Positive reinforcement always works better than punishment. We train dogs by rewarding them for good behavior, not punishing them for not doing correctly.
exactly , but in this case I am thinking of something a little inspirational .

It seems he foretold Kali Yuga.
just as we embodied souls suffer the cycle of birth , old , age , sickness and death , so to do our worlds within their planetary systems , and each universe with in the greater scheme , ........you know that scenario !!!


Yes, I said just recently somewhere that maybe it's not so bad to be happy for others, as long as we realize there is a very fine line between happiness for someone else because they received some good fortune, and considering yourself the source of their good fortune. Do something for someone but don't think you did it. Be happy for them as if someone else helped them. Sounds weird, I know. :eek:
dosent sound weird at all ,the best principle to apply is "not elated not depressed" , not overly happy , nor attatching to a result , just doing what you feel should be done , because you see it and you can :namaste

gently happy never harms though ;)
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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from watching too much telivision ?

And I have a backlog of reading to do. I should unplug the tv. :D

dosent sound weird at all ,the best principle to apply is "not elated not depressed" , not overly happy , nor attatching to a result , just doing what you feel should be done , because you see it and you can :namaste

gently happy never harms though ;)

The Middle Way.
 

Yeshe Dondrub

Kagyupa OBT-Thubetan
I ask people to be careful of the sources they read regarding the schools, and teachings, The main quoted had very incorrect wording, even when some aspects were correct.

The schools are Guru yoga based. Guiding you and holding a mirror to you. You however have to work through it mainly on your own.

We respect our Guru, you don NOT worship him or any other aspect. When you progress you understand what it all means, and also realize many aspects were to get you to let go of ego. New students, and outsiders will not have realization of it, nor can it be explained in a forum. Yet some concepts need to be let go of as well.



Images are reflections of aspects. Not literal. They trigger aspects of the mind, like vibrations do. Your lama is not a deity, that word is not correct. He however should reflect the proper aspects of the Buddha nature.

The harmful aspects, does not need to become dramatic. However the practices to less disciplined students, does bring many things out quickly, and you will probably need guidance. It depends on the individual, and aspects they need to work with.

However to be clear, mixing aspects of other systems, schools, is not recommended, and done.
 

Vishvavajra

Active Member
Tantric Buddhism is the most esoteric form, which means it relies a lot on initiatory experiences and the guidance of a teacher to navigate its large stable of practices. It's also extremely opaque to the uninitiated. Therefore there may be good reason to discourage people from getting too deep without proper guidance, lest misunderstanding result. And it's not as if misunderstanding is always harmless: it would be quite easy for someone to have a certain experience while dabbling in a certain practice and come away with all sorts of delusional thoughts reinforced.

I've seen that happen even with Chan meditation, which is relatively simple. And even in Chan the teachers will warn people against using certain methods (e.g. huatou) without the guidance of a qualified teacher. Partly that's out of fear that they won't do them correctly and get no benefit. Partly it's out of fear that actual delusions will result from incorrect practice. And partly it's out of a belief that incorrect mental practice can result in harm to one's physical health. Now, you might not believe that last one, but it's a traditional view that many teachers still hold.

So I wouldn't be quick to dismiss warnings of this sort. On the other hand, if the teacher makes these things contingent on payment of a certain amount of money, then you should certainly be suspicious. Inviting you to make donations is one thing; turning it into actual payment for teachings is another thing altogether.
 

Sirona

Hindu Wannabe
I don't know how representative my opinion is but I got into Diamondway Buddhism as they promoted themselves as a "modern and timely" form of Buddhism but promoted medieval ideas as found in hierarchies of religious orders (which is probably a trait of Tibetan Buddhism in general :shrug:) . The point was that most of them could be characterized as independent free-thinker types so when it came to following authority embodied by Tibetan lamas, it were always the others (like Christians) who would follow authority blindly but not them "enlightened Buddhists". As they believed that all Buddhas would dissolve into "white light" it was the guru/lama who would be used as an anchor for devotion. So, I did guru-yoga, which didn't do any harm although I kept asking myself why a living, mortal person should be more suitable as an object of devotion than the Buddhas, given that even they were not persistent. What did affect me negatively was the worship of the wrathful black Mahakala form, whose artistic depiction went right deep into my subconscious, with all the skulls and gore, even though I didn't "know" much about it intellectually. What also affected me was the worship of said form which was done by chanting in Tibetan. No offense intended but I know that mantras can have an effect on the mind regardless of whether you can understand them. I also secretly uncovered another members' statue that he worshiped, depicting a naked woman with an animal's head. Had I made an informed decision, I wouldn't have joined a tantric group of all places, but the point was that they didn't reveal the actual nature of their religion, and that I trusted them, believing that their form of Buddhism was well-tried and that the elements they taught were actually suitable for attaining enlightenment or at least a more joyful state of mind.

So, I think, yes, some forms of Buddhism or other methods for training the mind can be dangerous indeed, especially if said methods focus on the "dark aspect" which probably everyone has in their soul.
 
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