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When does the rapture take place?
- Thread starter Moby
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Works both ways
Camping never was any edification sis and this link is not preaching just presenting hundreds of scripture to prove truth:
The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Not really.
It is basically him making a claim and then listing verses he uses to support said claims.
These are all good scriptures.
As you noted - "The "elect" includes those in the Lord from the first death of Abel and includes every believer from then until the last soul becomes a believer during the tribulation."
Indeed we shall all be changed in a moment (Corinthians) and Jesus will descend with the sound of a trump (Thess)
But you missed the point!
#10
You haven't established that we will be there. Only that there are some elect during the Tribulation (which is biblical) because thee are Jewish evangelists preaching and the two witnesses that will be declaring the gospel.
I am sorry if I confused you bro!
I am saying there are no dates in my link:
The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation
I know the world wide web is full of date setters that have come and gone but I pay no attention to them.
I am saying there are no dates in my link:
The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation
I know the world wide web is full of date setters that have come and gone but I pay no attention to them.
It's pretty obvious bro that you did not study the whole link
If the tribulation begins say tomorrow and you are part of the church then yes this link clearly proves you will be here!:
The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I am always amused to watch Christians argue about what is going to happen in the future.
That is "if".
Then again, if the tribulation starts tomorrow and I leave tonight when he comes as a thief in the night, then I won't be here.
I will go on the first boatload and you can go on the second or third
- be it to you according to your faith
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Yeah, that must be it.
LOL... we don't argue... we discuss.
We don't eat too much... we just fellowship over food.
We don't gossip... we share
(joking of course)
Sorry but I have no time to argue but for those who believe the bible is the Word of God there are very distinct truths that clearly point toward a very sure outcome told in advance but only those whose eyes are opened will it be evident:
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures;
Well you are welcome to believe by faith as you wish but in the end only the scriptures will be fulfilled and for those such as Judas Iscariot it was a very bad ending:That is "if".
Then again, if the tribulation starts tomorrow and I leave tonight when he comes as a thief in the night, then I won't be here.
I will go on the first boatload and you can go on the second or third
John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled:
The Mystery of Lawlessness
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I grew up on this pabulum. It is utter nonsense. For things to unfold precisely the way you suggest NO ONE who has ever lived or will live has had/will have any effect on the course of history. Given the infinite and minute ways in which the future is affected by even the tiniest action or inaction the notion of the future being fixed is extremely ludicrous.
You are welcome to believe as you wish but soon enough we all die and our outcome becomes a higher authority's reality:
Ephesians 1:11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will;
That may be true... but it could be all the little variances doesn't change the macro outcome.
Certainly there is a lot of nonsense proclaimed in this world, but that doesn't mean everything is nonsense (at least in my perspective)
And I thought you wanted to talk about it.
Love believes the best!
I do bro but this quote of yours seems to paint a closed picture of your belief in a pretrib rapture which is what I use to believe but abandoned due to absolutely no scriptures to prove it other than "Love believes the best!":
I will go on the first boatload and you can go on the second or third
- be it to you according to your faith
Cheers,. I wasn't going to bother and you confirmed my choice was a good one
Ok... the problem is that you never addressed my point. You quoted a multitude of scriptures that had nothing to do with it.I do bro but this quote of yours seems to paint a closed picture of your belief in a pretrib rapture which is what I use to believe but abandoned due to absolutely no scriptures to prove it other than "Love believes the best!":
I will go on the first boatload and you can go on the second or third
1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Noah didn't receive the wrath of his tie... Jesus is my Ark.
Matthew 24:37
For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.