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Salvation

YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Thief said:
you're deliberately joining life to flesh
as if life cannot exist without flesh

and my take of the creation of Man is greatly different
I stand alone in my perspective
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More??? I'm going by what the Bible says. Not myself. :) You can stand alone, but yes, a body can be there (exist? - not good usage of the word) but a body can there without life (breath) and be -- dead.
Now there are some that are dead spiritually. And that is what Jesus meant when he spoke of the first ones 'dead.' Let the 'dead' bury the dead.
Unless, of course, you're Frankenstein, which I hope you're not.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Thief said:
you're deliberately joining life to flesh
as if life cannot exist without flesh

and my take of the creation of Man is greatly different
I stand alone in my perspective
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Plus I'm not sure what your perspective is. -- What is it?
Let me say, however, that the subject of different kinds of flesh is addressed in 1 Corinthians 15:39. "Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish."
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Thief said:
ok....so there is no confusion on that point
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Yes, because here is the context, perhaps you remember it:
(Luke 9)
"Now as they were going along the road, someone said to him: “I will follow you wherever you go.” 58 But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” 59 Then he said to another: “Be my follower.” The man said: “Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father.” 60 But he said to him: “Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and declare abroad the Kingdom of God.”
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
YoursTrue said:
Plus I'm not sure what your perspective is. -- What is it?
Let me say, however, that the subject of different kinds of flesh is addressed in 1 Corinthians 15:39. "Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish."
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yeah.....Man is that creature....curious

far more so than any other
seeking.....even if death is the consequence
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Thief said:
and you think you are saved?

how was that line drawn?
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All who receive the gift of everlasting life were saved sir, but that time is not yet. You can be on the road of life today, and reject God tomorrow. Jesus clearly stated the one who endures to the end will be saved Mat 24:13. Doing God's will is the basis for salvation Mat 7:21
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
capumetu said:
All who receive the gift of everlasting life were saved sir, but that time is not yet. You can be on the road of life today, and reject God tomorrow. Jesus clearly stated the one who endures to the end will be saved Mat 24:13. Doing God's will is the basis for salvation Mat 7:21
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I do not believe ANY position in heaven can be secured

was it not God's Favored?.....that led the rebellion

if position at the right hand of God can be lost
how then to say?.....you are saved
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Thief said:
I do not believe ANY position in heaven can be secured

was it not God's Favored?.....that led the rebellion

if position at the right hand of God can be lost
how then to say?.....you are saved
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That is the point, the theory that once saved always saved is a fallacy. Salvation really don't occur until you receive it, you receive it at the end of the millennial reign of Christ when satan is released and you do not follow him to destruction.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
capumetu said:
That is the point, the theory that once saved always saved is a fallacy. Salvation really don't occur until you receive it, you receive it at the end of the millennial reign of Christ when satan is released and you do not follow him to destruction.
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I lean to the notion....

I stand from the dust and in that same hour heaven will decide if there is anything to.....salvage

and then I will be retrained to walk with grace

in the meantime
I get to wear a hooded robe
 
H

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Thief said:
and you think you are saved?

how was that line drawn?
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Under the New Covenant humans are saved by faith. However humans lack the ability to measure faith precisely, it's Jesus and God's job to do the actual judgment. We however can tell by one's deeds. We can speculate our own deeds by comparing to Christ's teaching. We can also reconcile with our brothers and sisters as they also tell one's faith by one's deeds.
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Thief said:
I lean to the notion....

I stand from the dust and in that same hour heaven will decide if there is anything to.....salvage

and then I will be retrained to walk with grace

in the meantime
I get to wear a hooded robe
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Yes sir, there will be a judgment. I hope it is a favorable one.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Hawkins said:
Under the New Covenant humans are saved by faith. However humans lack the ability to measure faith precisely, it's Jesus and God's job to do the actual judgment. We however can tell by one's deeds. We can speculate our own deeds by comparing to Christ's teaching. We can also reconcile with our brothers and sisters as they also tell one's faith by one's deeds.
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you know a tree by it's fruit?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
salvation by faith?

would that be?....
head nodding while standing in congregation
good deeds done in the Name of the Lord
a litany of prayers
ritual and ceremony
dogmatic belief

all of the above?

and that Thief that hung by the Carpenter
what list did he keep well?
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Hawkins said:
Under the New Covenant humans are saved by faith. However humans lack the ability to measure faith precisely, it's Jesus and God's job to do the actual judgment. We however can tell by one's deeds. We can speculate our own deeds by comparing to Christ's teaching. We can also reconcile with our brothers and sisters as they also tell one's faith by one's deeds.
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This is a very accurate post sir, however the faith must be accurate Mat 7:21-23 and Jehovah delegated the judging to Jesus (Revelation 1:17, 18) . . .I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.

Great post though
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Thief said:
for those who believe......

what if your salvation depends as much on the people you have offended?

it's a bit of a paradox
so what?......if the Carpenter forgives you

and He then sends you seeking your brother
to make amends

is that not His instruction?
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I believe that is an AA postulate. Jesus saves by grace.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Thief said:
and I do not believe His death saved anyone

His parables are the salvation

He would be seeking a reflection of Himself
and if you do not reflect His teachings
how would you be?.....one of His
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I believe I am one of His by asking Him to be my Lord and Savior. Learning the teachings came afterwards.
 
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