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Judaism and reincarnation

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Are you saying that Elijah or Joshua was resent after each died? Or just that a prophet can finish one message/mission and be given a second?

By the scene where mentions how the Pharisees questioned John, they seem to believe that even Messiah can be someone re
Are you saying that Elijah or Joshua was resent after each died? Or just that a prophet can finish one message/mission and be given a second?

Conceptually, it is delivered from

Malachi 4:5
See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

John 1:24-25
Now the Pharisees who had been sent
questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?


Not necessarily after a true death, as Elijah is not considered formally dead. It is just a re-sending of specific prophets, mainly Elijah because he's not dead but picked up by God, and may be resent as described in Malachi 4:5. I believe that I read somewhere else (not Bible) that Joshua was also expected to come as the Messiah (in Hebrew Joshua is a name very similar to Jesus). This however is very different from the reincarnation concept which states more on everyone instead of someone specific.
 
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Tumah

Veteran Member
So, do they believe Hinduism is also a true Religion from Yahweh? Because according to Hindus their religion teach reincarnation.
That's a weird question. Because Hindus teach this one thing that's similar to Judaism, does that mean Jews believe that Hindu is a true religion? Why does that make sense to you?

Also, although we both teach reincarnation, it's not exactly the same. We don't believe that people are endlessly reincarnated before being absorbed back into the Brhaman.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Yes. The Works of Flavius Josephus.

Josephus is a 1st century Jewish historian. He is also a Pharisee. He described the 3 sects back then and their respective fundamental believes. He also tried to explain the Jewish concept to the Greeks.

Here's part of his explanation,

Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.

In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment


The Works of Flavius Josephus.
Hold your horses.
Josephus was known to alter Jewish thought or teachings to make it more understandable or perhaps appealing to his Roman audience. In fact, just a few days ago, I was reading an article that described how in some cases, his interpretations followed that of the Hellenized Philo and the author conjectured that perhaps he had forgotten what he had been taught because when he wrote his works, a quarter of a century had already passed since he had left Israel.
 
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Tumah

Veteran Member
By the scene where mentions how the Pharisees questioned John, they seem to believe that even Messiah can be someone re


Conceptually, it is delivered from

Malachi 4:5
See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

John 1:24-25
Now the Pharisees who had been sent
questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?


Not necessarily after a true death, as Elijah is not considered formally dead. It is just a re-sending of specific prophets, mainly Elijah because he's not dead but picked up by God, and may be resent as described in Malachi 4:5. I believe that I read somewhere else (not Bible) that Joshua was also expected to come as the Messiah (in Hebrew Joshua is a name very similar to Jesus). This however is very different from the reincarnation concept which states more on everyone instead of someone specific.
You're putting too much stock in the author of John's portrayal of Jewish belief as being a Pharisee belief. For instance, in Jewish source, Elijah is the one called "the Prophet". So who is the Prophet here? Let alone the fact that baptism itself is not found in any Jewish sources.

It's more likely that John the Baptist was a famous figure in the region who did had this unconventional practice and the author of John wanted to capitalize on his fame by fabricating a narrative with him.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
By the scene where mentions how the Pharisees questioned John, they seem to believe that even Messiah can be someone re
This isn't completed so I'm not sure what you mean, but if your proof is from a text which has no authority within Judaism, then representing this as indicative of Jewish thought is in error.
Conceptually, it is delivered from

Malachi 4:5
See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

John 1:24-25
Now the Pharisees who had been sent
questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?
Now I'm lost -- A non-Jewish text in which someone is asked about not being Elijah proves that Elijah is resent?

I believe that I read somewhere else (not Bible) that Joshua was also expected to come as the Messiah (in Hebrew Joshua is a name very similar to Jesus).
but again, that's not a Jewish source, and Joshua as a name is not similar to Jesus any more than Jesse is, and there are a lot of people named Joshua (and Jesse). So I still don't see how this proves your claim.
 
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