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The next 4 years?

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Harris will run. Newsom probably will too. Maybe he can make his announcement in front of the French Laundry.

Pence will run and lose. If a Trump runs, it will be Ivanka or Don Junior. Hard to predict what would happen there.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
But will people vote ffor someone at that age?

:shrug:

I have no idea how these candidates gain momentum. I suppose much of it depends on how well the campaign manager understands group psychology.

I would never have predicted Trump being the Republican candidate or Biden being the Democratic.

Back at the beginning, I assumed that Kamala Harris would make a strong run but she didn't do well.

Age doesn't seem to be as much of a factor as I thought.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
That's if the nomination were held on January 21. Give the Republican party 2 years to mull over what the past 4 years have really been like, and I suggest that it may not be quite so cut and dried, then

Maybe. But Trumps power is not derived from any sway -- real or imagined -- he holds over other politicians. So the Party isn't going to have much impact on him. Instead, his power is the average joe and jane nutcase who supports him. They number in the millions and tens of millions, so it's he who impacts the Party, not the Party who impacts him.

But surely he can't keep that for any use other than a political campaign. I'm not American, so I don't get the election financing laws down there, but here in Canada, if a politician tried to use campaign contributions for any purpose other than running, he'd be in the slammer before he knew what hit him.

I should have clarified what I meant by 'political donations'. Perhaps I chose the wrong term. I was referring to the 20 or so million die-hard Trump supporters who are subscribed to his messages at $4.99 per month. That adds up to about 1.2 billion per year and most of Trumps other assets are currently non-performing. Hence, the 1.2 billion is now his main source of income. I seriously doubt he'll risk losing it by quietly retiring from the limelight and then failing to run again in 2024.

So far as I can see the only thing with a chance of knocking him out of the ring would be massive and successful prosecutions and civil suits. He'll see 'a few' of those, will he see enough to KO him?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Maybe. But Trumps power is not derived from any sway -- real or imagined -- he holds over other politicians. So the Party isn't going to have much impact on him. Instead, his power is the average joe and jane nutcase who supports him. They number in the millions and tens of millions, so it's he who impacts the Party, not the Party who impacts him.
Sadly, likely accurate. Even more sadly, Trump does not have the same affection for the denizens of all those trailer parks that they have for him. And sadly to the point of tragedy -- they don't even know it.
If they ever figure it out, their heartbreak will be unbearable to watch.

I should have clarified what I meant by 'political donations'. Perhaps I chose the wrong term. I was referring to the 20 or so million die-hard Trump supporters who are subscribed to his messages at $4.99 per month. That adds up to about 1.2 billion per year and most of Trumps other assets are currently non-performing. Hence, the 1.2 billion is now his main source of income. I seriously doubt he'll risk losing it by quietly retiring from the limelight and then failing to run again in 2024.
So he is what he's always been -- a grifter with a nose for how to get the pennies out of the hands of folk at the carnival, and into his own pocket. Does it matter, really, whether he's selling a "miracle elixir" or whatever other lie he can fob off on the ignorant?

No, I suspect not.

Sadly for America.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Anyone have any idea if Pence or Trump will run in 2024? what about Kamala will she be running?
I should be more careful with my prediction, especially because I already underestimated US citizens stupidity once this year, but I predict Trumpists regaining their consciousness after a cooling off period. Trump will not have a base in 2024. He may be running if he's out of prison then but without a chance.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Sadly for America.

Sad for us, sad for the world. As one of your countrymen and a friend of mine told me at uni decades ago, "America is an elephant. Canada is a mouse. When you are a mouse next to an elephant, if the elephant sneezes, you catch cold." Only, it's not just Canada. In 2016, someone on this Forum objected to a remark I'd made by 'informing' me the German economy had nothing to do with the American economy. Within a year or two I was reading the Germans found themselves between a rock and a hard place due to something Trump was doing. I forget the details now, but you get the point. Just about any other president would have at lest considered the effects his policies would have on our allies.
 

averageJOE

zombie
In 2024 someone far worse and dangerous than Trump will run. This person will be extremely popular and, unlike Trump, articulate. This person will run against Harris (because everyone knows Biden won't last 4 years) and will probably win. I predict this person will be Tucker Carlson.

And in 2028, because politics will have shifted so far right, along with the Democrats, someone like Donald Trump Jr. will run against Carlson as a Democrat. And blue no matter who voters will be saying "Now is not the time to vote 3rd party!!! Too much is at stake!!! We must vote for Trump Jr. and then we can work to push him left!" And Donald Trump will be dancing on shows like Ellen while "left wing" media paints his presidency as "not that bad".
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
In 2024 someone far worse and dangerous than Trump will run. This person will be extremely popular and, unlike Trump, articulate. This person will run against Harris (because everyone knows Biden won't last 4 years) and will probably win. I predict this person will be Tucker Carlson.

And in 2028, because politics will have shifted so far right, along with the Democrats, someone like Donald Trump Jr. will run against Carlson as a Democrat. And blue no matter who voters will be saying "Now is not the time to vote 3rd party!!! Too much is at stake!!! We must vote for Trump Jr. and then we can work to push him left!" And Donald Trump will be dancing on shows like Ellen while "left wing" media paints his presidency as "not that bad".
Well obviously. But that is only because by 2028 most of the Democrat States will be under water.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Anyone have any idea if Pence or Trump will run in 2024?
Trump could face some serious legal issues even with a pardon, and Pence simply doesn't have Trump's "charisma".

what about Kamala will she be running?
I'm far from certain that Biden will be up to running in 2024, plus VP's running often have a lot of "baggage", whereas they tend not to benefit from any success but do get some of the blame for failures.

Of course, there have been some exceptions.
 
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