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Creation of Hell

Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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ajay0 said:
As per the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, peace and joy are the natural qualities of the soul, but these are obscured by intense desires in the form of cravings and aversions for pleasure and pain, due to identification with the mind-body complex, and which produces misery and suffering.

Rather than being in the state of pure consciousness, one identifies with the temporary body and consequently experiences negative emotions and vices in the form of lust, hatred, greed, inordinate attachment and egoism.

Thus heaven and hell is considered as a state of mind or consciousness.

Considering oneself as an eternal conscious soul in a temporary body and identifying with the consciousness within is considered as soul-consciousness. This generates peace and tranquility in the system.

Identification with the temporary body on the other hand generates fear , hatred and other negative emotions leading to vice. This lower state of consciousness productive of suffering is also termed as body-consciousness.
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this makes sense given what I read recently in regards to genesis 6:3.

the body was programmed to fail and to insure the carnal experience didn't override the spiritual experience. so the spirit would then again be free from the carnal body, the grave, and have the re-inforcing spiritual essence.
 
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Skywalker

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Fool said:
so in genesis we don't see the creation of hell. we just see a creation of heaven and earth.


so did mankind create hell with the distance mentally placed between the idea of self and god/love ?

did the division of God otherwise to self create the chaos?

did the fall from heaven literally divide mankind mentally from what he projected as divine and what he labeled/named mundane?
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I believe that when Satan tempted Adam and Eve, he knew that hell was created for him and his demons.
 
capumetu

capumetu

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Fool said:
so in genesis we don't see the creation of hell. we just see a creation of heaven and earth.


so did mankind create hell with the distance mentally placed between the idea of self and god/love ?

did the division of God otherwise to self create the chaos?

did the fall from heaven literally divide mankind mentally from what he projected as divine and what he labeled/named mundane?
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Yes sir hell or grave did become a necessity with death. When Adam sinned all his progeny inherited sin, which leads to their death. Although the dead do not go to a particular place literally, most get buried in what has been called grave, hence the need for it sir. A great hope we all have is that hell is not permanent, it will be emptied Rev 20:13 when the resurrection that Jesus promised occurs. Jn 5:28,29, what a great day that will be.
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

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Nakosis said:
I suspect the Christian understanding of a physical Hell is from a parable from Jesus.

40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

As a parable, I don't think it was meant to be taken literally.
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Sheol was a burning dump where they put bodies, human or animal. That idea was merged with ideas from Zoroastrianism and voile, hell!
 
Colt

Colt

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Fool said:
so in genesis we don't see the creation of hell. we just see a creation of heaven and earth.


so did mankind create hell with the distance mentally placed between the idea of self and god/love ?

did the division of God otherwise to self create the chaos?

did the fall from heaven literally divide mankind mentally from what he projected as divine and what he labeled/named mundane?
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I believe that the concept of a literal Hell place in the afterlife was created in ancient religions because to the ancients everyone survived in the afterlife. So they invented a place for those in the tribe that didn't behave according to their concepts of morality.
 
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Skywalker

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cOLTER said:
I believe that the concept of a literal Hell place in the afterlife was created in ancient religions because to the ancients everyone survived in the afterlife. So they invented a place for those in the tribe that didn't behave according to their concepts of morality.
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I believe in a literal hell because people who commit crimes are punished, even by the most fair judge.
 
capumetu

capumetu

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Skywalker said:
I believe in a literal hell because people who commit crimes are punished, even by the most fair judge.
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The most fair judge put forth in His law an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, soul for soul. Not an eternity of burning in a volcano of fire for what evils you could possibly do in a max of 120 yrs of life.

You wouldn't do that to your child, do you think you are more loving and just than God, I think not.
 
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Skywalker

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capumetu said:
The most fair judge put forth in His law an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, soul for soul. Not an eternity of burning in a volcano of fire for what evils you could possibly do in a max of 120 yrs of life.

You wouldn't do that to your child, do you think you are more loving and just than God, I think not.
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I don't think hell is burning in a volcano. I think it's being alone for eternity. God is love, but God is also just. And because of his justice, people will be punished for their sins.
 
Colt

Colt

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Skywalker said:
Why wouldn't God be good? God made a way for everyone to know Him.
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In order for eternal hell to he real God would have to resurrect the unsaved and continue to keep them on life support while simultaneously burning them for all eternity. That's not a good being.
 
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Skywalker

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cOLTER said:
In order for eternal hell to he real God would have to resurrect the unsaved and continue to keep them on life support while simultaneously burning them for all eternity. That's not a good being.
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The rich man in the parable of Lazarus went to hell before any possible resurrection. Burning is figurative for separation from God.
 
Colt

Colt

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Skywalker said:
The rich man in the parable of Lazarus went to hell before any possible resurrection. Burning is figurative for separation from God.
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Hell is synonymous with death. A place of burning torture was added later in some Christian circles.

Death would be separation from God. The unsaved cease to exist.
 
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Skywalker

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cOLTER said:
Hell is synonymous with death. A place of burning torture was added later in some Christian circles.

Death would be separation from God. The unsaved cease to exist.
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I believe Hell is conscious eternal separation from God, not burning torture or ceasing to exist.
 
Colt

Colt

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Skywalker said:
I believe Hell is conscious eternal separation from God, not burning torture or ceasing to exist.
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If we suffer "eternal destruction" then we will cease to exist.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,


Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
capumetu

capumetu

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Skywalker said:
I don't think hell is burning in a volcano. I think it's being alone for eternity. God is love, but God is also just. And because of his justice, people will be punished for their sins.
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I am so very happy to hear that you do not think that God is that evil sir. These passages may help you to understand that the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23
(Genesis 2:16, 17) . . .Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”
(Genesis 3:19) 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return. . .
(Psalm 146:4) 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. . .
(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6) . . .For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.
(Ecclesiastes 9:10) . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going. . .
(2 Thessalonians 1:9) . . .These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
(Revelation 20:14) . . .And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.
(Revelation 21:8) . . .the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”


To summarize, from the beginning God said sin results in death, returning to the state before life, literally back to dust. He explained that death has no consciousness. Upon Jesus' return those whom are deemed unrighteous are destroyed. After hell/grave is emptied Rev 20:13 satan and those who side with him will be cast into the lake of fire, which in both times of it's occurrence is clearly defined as the second death, or in other words permanent death.

Hope that helps Skywalker
 
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Skywalker

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capumetu said:
I am so very happy to hear that you do not think that God is that evil sir. These passages may help you to understand that the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23
(Genesis 2:16, 17) . . .Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”
(Genesis 3:19) 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return. . .
(Psalm 146:4) 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. . .
(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6) . . .For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.
(Ecclesiastes 9:10) . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going. . .
(2 Thessalonians 1:9) . . .These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
(Revelation 20:14) . . .And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.
(Revelation 21:8) . . .the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”


To summarize, from the beginning God said sin results in death, returning to the state before life, literally back to dust. He explained that death has no consciousness. Upon Jesus' return those whom are deemed unrighteous are destroyed. After hell/grave is emptied Rev 20:13 satan and those who side with him will be cast into the lake of fire, which in both times of it's occurrence is clearly defined as the second death, or in other words permanent death.

Hope that helps Skywalker
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Why spread the gospel and why did Jesus die on the cross if there is no hell?
 
Colt

Colt

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Jesus died on the cross because closed minded religious people had him killed. They were threatened by his Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven which he preached for 3+ years before being apprehended. Concerning the voluntary death Jesus said that he would use the occasion of their rejection and his death to prove his authority to preach by returning from the death of his body on his own volition.

The original gospel already saved.
 
capumetu

capumetu

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Skywalker said:
Why spread the gospel and why did Jesus die on the cross if there is no hell?
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There clearly is a hell sir, it is spoken of in the Bible, however most do not know what it is, because of translators. Were you aware that the King James version of the Bible translated the Hebrew word Sheol 31 times as grave, 31 times as hell, and 3 times as pit? No wonder everyone is confused. Which of those three words define it best? Obviously grave, because that is what it is. It is not everlasting torture in a burning environment. People go there because they die, all who die do go there including Jesus who never sinned. The great news is that hell will be emptied during the resurrection Rev 20:13, and then destroyed v14
 
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