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China Expected to be the Only Major Economy with Positive Growth this Year

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
China got off to a bad start with the corona virus. Early on, authoritarian leaders on the local and provincial levels tried to bury the news of a viral outbreak rather than deal with it, as authoritarians tend to do. But when that didn't work, the national government seems to have stepped in and impose a lock down.

The lock down sent the Chinese economy into retreat for the first time since 1976, but that was only temporary. As early as the second quarter 2020, the economy was growing again, and jobs were coming back.

Today, China's economy is the world's only large economy that is expected to see positive growth this year.

Compare the Chinese response to the American in terms of outcome. Please don't make excuses for America. Reality doesn't like a whiner. Just do the comparison.




 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
China got off to a bad start with the corona virus. Early on, authoritarian leaders on the local and provincial levels tried to bury the news of a viral outbreak rather than deal with it, as authoritarians tend to do. But when that didn't work, the national government seems to have stepped in and impose a lock down.

The lock down sent the Chinese economy into retreat for the first time since 1976, but that was only temporary. As early as the second quarter 2020, the economy was growing again, and jobs were coming back.

Today, China's economy is the world's only large economy that is expected to see positive growth this year.

Compare the Chinese response to the American in terms of outcome. Please don't make excuses for America. Reality doesn't like a whiner. Just do the comparison.





The problem I have is how do you trust the Chinese numbers. They have an extremely secretive government and only release information that show's them in a good light.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The problem I have is how do you trust the Chinese numbers. They have an extremely secretive government and only release information that show's them in a good light.

Yes, that's a genuine concern. Of course, whole cadres of economists watch them, trying to see through their BS. So there's that, too.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It's almost like even an authoritarian regime can run circles around our leaders. But that would be impossible, right?
Well, when you've started the pandemic in the first place, I guess it makes it a bit easier for you to control the narrative and make yourself look good, if we ignore that China is a totalitarian nightmare, which many liberals seem fit to do in their lauding of China's response.

Speaking of which, I wonder where that story about the virus escaping from a lab went. It wasn't disproven from what I know. People just stopped talking about it. Hmm.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, when you've started the pandemic in the first place, I guess it makes it a bit easier for you to control the narrative and make yourself look good, if we ignore that China is a totalitarian nightmare, which many liberals seem fit to do in their lauding of China's response.

Speaking of which, I wonder where that story about the virus escaping from a lab went. It wasn't disproven from what I know. People just stopped talking about it. Hmm.
Whether China is lying about its economy & the number of deaths
(a real possibility), it does make sense that a command economy
under an authoritarian regime can have the advantage in addressing
recovery compared to a decentralized government & economy.
The unasked question....
Under which system would you rather live?
Just my personal preference, but I'll take the Ameristanian way.
If people living under the PRC were able to post here, I'd be
interested in their views.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, when you've started the pandemic in the first place, I guess it makes it a bit easier for you to control the narrative and make yourself look good, if we ignore that China is a totalitarian nightmare, which many liberals seem fit to do in their lauding of China's response.

Speaking of which, I wonder where that story about the virus escaping from a lab went. It wasn't disproven from what I know. People just stopped talking about it. Hmm.
It was disproven. The COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin, scientists say | Scripps Research

China might be a totalitarian nightmare, but they responded better to the virus than we did. And it's not like the US has never tried to control the narrative of a pandemic that started on our shore. Hell, that's literally what happened with the Spanish flu. Two of the last major global pandemics were started in American pork farms.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Whether China is lying about its economy & the number of deaths
(a real possibility), it does make sense that a command economy
under an authoritarian regime can have the advantage in addressing
recovery compared to a decentralized government & economy.
The unasked question....
Under which system would you rather live?
Just my personal preference, but I'll take the Ameristanian way.
China's government is evil, no question about that. I prefer liberty.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Your information seems to be outdated. Check up on the recent reports out of Italy.
What I mean is that the virus and the pandemic originated from there.

I hope my info is outdated as I haven't really been paying attention to the news nonsense lately. It's just a 24/7 fear-a-thon.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It was disproven. The COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin, scientists say | Scripps Research

China might be a totalitarian nightmare, but they responded better to the virus than we did. And it's not like the US has never tried to control the narrative of a pandemic that started on our shore. Hell, that's literally what happened with the Spanish flu. Two of the last major global pandemics were started in American pork farms.
Just because we didn't make it, doesn't mean it didn't come from a lab. I don't know. I don't trust anything China says. It's like trusting the USSR or North Korea. These countries are our enemies.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
China's government is evil, no question about that. I prefer liberty.
Evil is a relative thing.
Even China is filled with patriots who love their system.
Jackie Chan was one such booster....but the government's
seizing of his mansion might have altered his views.
(He apparently sided with the wrong political faction.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What I mean is that the virus and the pandemic originated from there.

I hope my info is outdated as I haven't really been paying attention to the news nonsense lately. It's just a 24/7 fear-a-thon.
Current thought is still that it originated in China, their claims
that the US military brought it there notwithstanding.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Just because we didn't make it, doesn't mean it didn't come from a lab. I don't know. I don't trust anything China says. It's like trusting the USSR or North Korea. These countries are our enemies.
It didn't come from any lab, ours or theirs. That's what the study explains, and why. We need not trust them to determine it.

Honestly nobody has real good reason to trust the US either.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It didn't come from any lab, ours or theirs. That's what the study explains, and why. We need not trust them to determine it.

Honestly nobody has real good reason to trust the US either.
Yeah, but the US isn't an Orwellian nightmare the state controls the media and crushes all dissent. (We have the opposite, where mega-corporations and billionaires own the media and crush dissent in other ways.)
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It's almost like even an authoritarian regime can run circles around our leaders. But that would be impossible, right?

In my observation, authoritarian regimes actually can operate more quickly and efficiently than democratic regimes. This may be due to an overriding "ends justify the means" mindset where they might be presented with a certain goal or objective with instructions to "get it done however you have to get it done."

This frees people's hands where they don't have to get bogged down in procedure or form. No rules, protocols, or traditions to worry about - just a singular goal to be achieved in any way that is physically possible.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah, but the US isn't an Orwellian nightmare the state controls the media and crushes all dissent. (We have the opposite, where mega-corporations and billionaires own the media and crush dissent in other ways.)
I don't feel crushed. We have great opinion & news diversity.
To understand different perspectives, I'll listen to a bit of CNN
& a bit of OAN coverage of politics. One attacks Trump, while
the other praises. They'll even use the same info to justify
opposite opinions. It's fascinating.
Also, I air all sorts of objectionable opinions. But men in black
never darken my door with threats of disappearance. Friends
& family have experienced real oppression in China, Iraq, &
Russia, where saying the wrong thing has dire consequences.

In Ameristan, I can be as big a jerk as I want. I like that.
To endure some economic turmoil is a small price to pay.
 
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