The Bible words it like Satan gave Jesus a vision of the kingdoms of the world from a vantage point, not that Jesus literally saw all the kingdoms of the world from a vantage point.
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How Does the Existence of God Negate Darwinian Evolution?
- Thread starter SalixIncendium
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The Bible words it like Satan gave Jesus a vision of the kingdoms of the world from a vantage point, not that Jesus literally saw all the kingdoms of the world from a vantage point.
The Bible doesn't indicate that the dome earth exists today, if at all.
Some Christians dont believe or strongly believe in it. Its not the message of there being a Creator.
Subduction Zone
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There is no need to go to a vantage point if it was a vision. Todd's basement would have worked just as well. That verse implies a flat Earth.
Subduction Zone
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So what? It appeared to be the beliefs of the writers of the Bible. I would bet by Jesus's time that many would have known that the Earth was a sphere. The Bible has quite a few changes in it if one reads it without prejudice. God goes from a polytheistic God to a monotheistic one.
Subduction Zone
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Would it matter if some Christians believed in an invisible dragon in their garage? Certain supposed events in the Bible would have left clear evidence. A worldwide flood would have left massive evidence and yet there is none. That tells us that it did not happen.
Here is an example. You get a call from a friend of yours that a huge bomb just exploded downtown in the city that you live in and he needs help going home. since his car was destroyed when the bomb went off. . You are only ten minutes away so you hop in your car turn on the radio and drive downtown. You hear nothing on the radio about a bombing. You get downtown and there is no evidence of a bombing. What is your conclusion about what your friend said? Was he honest or was he pulling your leg?
The Bible mentions the four corners of the earth. The ends of the earth is being figurative. Nobody can see the entire earth even from Mount Everest or Iranian mountains.
The Old Testament was never polytheistic. Let us make man in our image is not a reference to God talking to the angels. The morning stars shouted for joy but they aren't involved in the creation of humans, they saw the creation of the earth. Even if they saw the creation of humans, which is a good chance, let us make man in our image sounds strange if it was God talking to the angels.
Subduction Zone
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That is right. Because it is a sphere. One can only see a very small fraction of the Earth, on the order of 1% from either vantage point. So why go to a "high place"? Again the only reason would be if the person believed that the Earth was flat. On a Flat Earth from a high point one could conceivably see from one end of the Earth to another.
Nobody can see the entire earth from Mount Everest.
Subduction Zone
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Really? You need to read about how Moses confronted Pharaoh's wizard. They both worked magic through their god's The god of Moses was stronger.
Subduction Zone
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You keep shooting yourself in the foot.
Exodus doesn't mention polytheism. Jesus told Moses when he met him at the burning bush, I am that I am.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, Jesus never met Moses. Read your Bible. And yes, how do you think that Pharaoh's wizard worked his magic? And then there was Baal and Astarte among others.
The religion of Ancient Israel and Judah was polytheism
The Bible reflects the beliefs of the people at the times it was written. In the Hebrews history polytheism was common early on. Their religion evolved into a monotheistic one.
Jesus was the angel of the Lord, who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. The Old Testament law never condoned the worship of Baal or Astarte.
Subduction Zone
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Wow! That is some creative interpretation.
And of course the Bible did not condone the worship of other Gods. You appear to have forgotten your Commandments. That does not mean that the Hebrews were not polytheistic.
John 1:18 and John 6: 46 implies that Jesus appeared in the Old Testament.
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
Jesus met Abraham before the judgement of Sodom and Gommorah, during Jacob's dream of the divine ladder, Moses at the burning bush, the pillar of cloud and fire to lead Israel, Joshua and the Captain of the Host, the book of Judges, the parents of Samson, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and in Isaiah 6:1-5 where he mentioned that he saw the Lord of Hosts. Just like Moses, he couldn't have seen God the Father, so he had to have seen Jesus.
This isn't polytheism. This is different persons with the same divine essence being mentioned throughout the Old Testament.
Subduction Zone
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Not much of an implication there. Go ahead and grasp at straws if you wish. But you are now just making things up for your own comfort.
What you should be trying to do is learning what parts of the Bible can be read literally and what parts cannot be. If an event never happened it is not wise to read it literally. You are in effect claiming that your religion is wrong when you do that.
Discussing the lack of polytheism in the Old Testament isn't grasping at straws.