InvestigateTruth
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Yes, there are verses in the Quran that says there is no difference between God and Muhammad.
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Christianity vs Baha'i
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InvestigateTruth
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That does not make Jesus biologically a descendant of Jesse. Does it?
The Scriptures says, :"out of Jesse", meaning there is a biological connection, not just someone whose mother marries a man who is connected to Jesse.
Interesting attempt though..
Why does the Quran call Jesus the Word of God and the Spirit of God? I believe even the Quran indirectly mentions the divinity of Jesus. What Bible verse did Jesus say he has more to say and in the future we will be told all truth?
I agree. Jesus wasn't a descendant of Krishna.
Jesus was biologically related to Mary.
PearlSeeker
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A guru is more than a teacher. Google the difference.
A guru is a guide, expert, master.
InvestigateTruth
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No, Bahaullah does not claim He came from Heaven into a body. God does not move from a location to another.
He says, there is only One God. That God once manifested His attributes, Will and Words from Jesus, and now He has manifested His attribures, Words and Will from Bahaullah. Thus, just as the first Time, whoever had seen Jesus, had seen the Father, this time, also the Father has come! But this coming is not a physical moving from up to down!
I dont know where you are getting this idea that "If Baha'u'llah were to be the true Messiah he would have to have been the 'suffering servant' before being the King of kings. "
If this is what the scriptures say, please quote.
InvestigateTruth
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Yes, He was, but there is no verse in Bible saying Mary was a descendant of Jesse. You should quote the Bible. Which verse?
InvestigateTruth
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Jesse is related to the Messiah, and its mentioned in the Bible that Mary is related to David. Jesse is the father of David, and that's how Mary is related to Jesse.
Redemptionsong
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I'll send a fuller account tomorrow.
The biological bit comes through Mary [Luke's account] whilst the royal line comes through Joseph [Matthew's account]. The unity of the two fulfils scripture.
All I can say to that is yell at the top of my voice. CRIPES.
That to me is the world's most Unbelievable statement, as it has been used against every Messenger, in every age. The Message of Baha'u'llah calls for all that Jesus the Christ, and Every Messenger has called humanity to become and yet people can stand and offer it is all a deception, because it does not fit the wall built around their faith.
What people need to do is take away the theological differences of the return and then post one thing from Baha'u'llah that does not resonate with what can be found in the Gospel and is not a teaching of Christ.
Tell me what Jesus warned against.
Was it the Love of One God?
Was it love thy Neighbour?
Was it do unto others.....?
Was it turn your swords into plows?
Was is elimination of all predudices?
No, Jesus said in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
What most have determined is not good, is a theology that does not stand up to their perceived understanding of Biblical verses, verses they had and still have no authority to put meaning to.
The ball is in your court, what is it that Baha'u'llah taught that can be proven not to be of Christ?
Regards Tony
How does belief in Bab stand up to Bible verses? Jesus said that many false prophets and false prophets will appear and will preform great signs and wonders. Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
Believing in Bab adds to the Bible, something which is mentioned in Deuteronomy.
Redemptionsong
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One of the reasons that I believe Baha'u'llah is a false messiah, or false prophet, is that the Messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures connect 'my servant David' [the future messiah of Ezekiel] to both the role of 'suffering servant' and Judge.
The story of David gives us many clues as to the life of the future 'suffering servant' and Messiah. David was the son of Jesse, and was born in Bethlehem. At about the age of thirty, David was anointed by Samuel the prophet [1 Samuel 16:13], after which he received the Spirit [Compare Luke 3:22,23]. He was sent for by Saul and became his armour bearer [Ephesians 6:12-17] and musician [1 Samuel 16:21], shortly after which he defeats Goliath. Jonathan loves him, but Saul envies him, and tries to kill David, who is forced to flee. When Saul is killed in battle David becomes king of Judah, later to become king over all Israel. David reigns 33 years at Jerusalem, and 7 additional years in Hebron, over all Israel.
It's no surprise that Jesus uses the metaphor of a shepherd to describe himself. David was 'taken from the sheep cote'. Read John chapter 10! Then compare this with Ezekiel chapter 34. There can be no mistaking the one shepherd of the flock. The Messiah has to be of the tribe of Judah, and from the line of David.
I would now like to show you a passage from Isaiah that makes a powerful case for linking the 'suffering servant' to the Judge.
Isaiah 61:1-3.'The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.'
This passage of scripture is applied to the Messiah as the one whom 'the Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon' [as shown in Isaiah 11 and 42].
To confirm that this passage is intended for the Messiah, read Luke 4:16-22. But where does Jesus finish his reading? [verse 19]
Can you see? The one Messiah specified in Isaiah does not complete his mission in one go. The day of wrath (vengeance) is left for the future, but is to be completed by the same Messiah.
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1 Thessalonians 5 warns us not to be caught like a thief in the night and goes on to say
"19Do not extinguish the Spirit. 20Do not treat prophecies with contempt, 21but test all things. Hold fast to what is good. 22Abstain from every form of evil."
What are the Tests we are to use?
The Bab did not add to the Bible, the Bab gave another Book.
Jesus said I have more to say unto you, so we know there is more to be said.
Regards Tony
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Redemptionsong
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Is Baha'u'llah pointing people to the one and only Saviour, Jesus Christ?
What are we to see?
The same Spirit returned, the flesh amounts to nothing, it is the Spirit that is life.
Regards Tony
Where do you think the Old Testament mentions the second coming of Jesus?
To God through Christ, the Holy Spirit, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega.
Regards Tony