'The Truth'

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

In the church that Boss went to the following words were inscribed on the pulpit.:

"The truth shall set you free."

I never went to church so was privy to other versions of freedom. She informed me that she never did figure out what it meant. So ... what does it mean to you? (This is not a debate thread.)

Estro Felino · Dec 12, 2020

It means that we Christians have to face the Truth in this life...which will give us freedom.
Because sooner or later, we will face God (the Truth) in the Afterlife.
So knowing the Truth in advance is better.

SalixIncendium · Dec 12, 2020

You already know what it means to me.

Strange they would put that in a church though...

Dawnofhope · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
In the church that Boss went to the following words were inscribed on the pulpit.:

"The truth shall set you free."

I never went to church so was privy to other versions of freedom. She informed me that she never did figure out what it meant. So ... what does it mean to you? (This is not a debate thread.)

It is one of my favourite passages from the Gospel of John and can have many meanings. Its always helpful to consider the verse in context of the chapter has a whole.

John 8 KJV - Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. - Bible Gateway

For example Jesus considered Himself the way, the truth and the light. So through His Teachings we could attain freedom from the conditions and bondage of this world.

Unveiled Artist · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
In the church that Boss went to the following words were inscribed on the pulpit.:

"The truth shall set you free."

I never went to church so was privy to other versions of freedom. She informed me that she never did figure out what it meant. So ... what does it mean to you? (This is not a debate thread.)

It means the truth of Christ,salvation, would free you from the bonds of sin. The idea is you dont have THE truth and you need to be free from your ignorance.

I don't hear it anymore since I haven't gone to that type of church in years.

syo · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
In the church that Boss went to the following words were inscribed on the pulpit.:

"The truth shall set you free."

I never went to church so was privy to other versions of freedom. She informed me that she never did figure out what it meant. So ... what does it mean to you? (This is not a debate thread.)

It means we shouldn't believe.

nPeace · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
In the church that Boss went to the following words were inscribed on the pulpit.:

"The truth shall set you free."

I never went to church so was privy to other versions of freedom. She informed me that she never did figure out what it meant. So ... what does it mean to you? (This is not a debate thread.)

It's the words Jesus said in John 8:32, so I can only say that the truth is what Jesus taught. Thus he was saying that what he taught - the truth, would free persons in several ways - free from false teachings, and free from sin and death.
Those were the two things he said he came to free men from. (Luke 4:16-21 ; Matthew 20:28)

@Vinayaka I should have added, in verse 31, Jesus said. "if you remain in my word, you will know the truth". Another verse says, truth is in him. So that confirms truth is what he taught.

osgart · Dec 12, 2020

I think that statement is not necessarily true from the perspective of being human. Once you have some proven truth in your understanding then you have to submit to it, have faith in it, and then you have to apply its principles and teachings. In short you have to become true to it, and judge by its fruits, or the results it gets you.

If there is a divine perspective, then perhaps truth conquers all and can set us all free.

I believe a person can be set free in a spiritual sense though still being bound by life's circumstances. So then it all depends on the kind of freedom and truth sought. I don't think spiritual truth necessarily equates to economic freedom. Most things cost to attain to.

PureX · Dec 12, 2020

... That it sets us free from self-delusion.

stvdv · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
In the church that Boss went to the following words were inscribed on the pulpit.:

"The truth shall set you free."

I never went to church so was privy to other versions of freedom. She informed me that she never did figure out what it meant. So ... what does it mean to you? (This is not a debate thread.)

IMO:

Know the Truth will set you free from worldly attachment. Free as in Self Realized and free from the cycle of Life and Death

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

Estro Felino said:
It means that we Christians have to face the Truth in this life...which will give us freedom.
Because sooner or later, we will face God (the Truth) in the Afterlife.
So knowing the Truth in advance is better.

So the truth is God?

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

adrian009 said:
It is one of my favourite passages from the Gospel of John and can have many meanings. Its always helpful to consider the verse in context of the chapter has a whole.

John 8 KJV - Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. - Bible Gateway

For example Jesus considered Himself the way, the truth and the light. So through His Teachings we could attain freedom from the conditions and bondage of this world.

So the truth is Jesus?

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

syo said:
It means we shouldn't believe.

So the truth is not to believe?

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

Unveiled Artist said:
It means the truth of Christ,salvation, would free you from the bonds of sin. The idea is you dont have THE truth and you need to be free from your ignorance.

I don't hear it anymore since I haven't gone to that type of church in years.

So the truth is that Jesus will free you from sin?

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

stvdv said:
IMO:

Know the Truth will set you free from worldly attachment. Free as in Self Realized and free from the cycle of Life and Death

That says what it does, not what it is. What is it that sets you free?

Dawnofhope · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
So the truth is Jesus?

That is one possible interpretation amongst others. I don’t believe the verse has just one correct interpretation to the exclusion of all others.

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

adrian009 said:
That is one possible interpretation amongst others. I don’t believe the verse has just one correct interpretation to the exclusion of all others.

Maybe I'll ask wikipedia what they think.

Edited to add: ... Religious views on truth - Wikipedia

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

SalixIncendium said:
You already know what it means to me.

Strange they would put that in a church though...

No I don't.

Vinayaka · Dec 12, 2020

nPeace said:
It's the words Jesus said in John 8:32, so I can only say that the truth is what Jesus taught. Thus he was saying that what he taught - the truth, would free persons in several ways - free from false teachings, and free from sin and death.
Those were the two things he said he came to free men from. (Luke 4:16-21 ; Matthew 20:28)

@Vinayaka I should have added, in verse 31, Jesus said. "if you remain in my word, you will know the truth". Another verse says, truth is in him. So that confirms truth is what he taught.

But it doesn't say just what that truth is. I can say I taught math. What do you think that truth he taught actually is.

SalixIncendium · Dec 12, 2020

Vinayaka said:
No I don't.

Interesting. I thought we had discussed this. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Truth, for me, is Self realization, which leads to liberation...moksha.

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