The Last Samurai: Humanism vs. Technology.

John D. Brey said:

Hitler was not a Catholic or a Christian. Germany was a predominantly Protestant country. But Hitler wasn't part of that tradition. He was a full-blown atheist. He had little tolerance for religion. And what tolerance he gave to Christianity was based on the fact that Germany was Christian to its core such that he had to tread lightly and give some lenience to Christianity until such a time that he felt empowered to attempt to snuff it out along with Judaism.

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Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother and was also baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.

All this religious influence however did not prevent him from executing his atrocities later on.

The only christian sect which opposed him with steadfastness was the Jehovah's Witnesses , and which in turn was severely persecuted by the Nazis.

John D. Brey said:

Women may indeed be great administrators. And they clearly don't often appear to have the aggressiveness men usually do. And yet they (women) rarely reach to the heights of what we call "genius." No matter where you look, art, science, religion, or politics, women almost never produce something like Shakespeare, or Napoleon, or Abraham Lincoln.

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That's because of patriarchial dominance in society which relegated women to child bearing roles and to the kitchen rather than active roles and careers in society. Those who were fortunate enough to have careers in the world in recent times had done well in them.

Marie Curie, the female scientist won two Nobel Prizes for her research work in physics.

Nobel Prize awarded women

British female prime minister Margaret Thatcher and Indian female Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Adern are considered highly successful administrators and superior to male politicians around them.

Even in the religious world, there has never been a female pope, or Ayathollah or Dalai Lama till date though spirituality and compassion comes naturally to women than men.

The Prajapita Brahmakumaris is the only spiritual organisation in the world led, administered and taught by women and with a female leadership head as well equivalent to the male pope and ayathollah.

They have received seven UN Peace Messenger Awards for their numerous services around the world in the interests of global peace and harmony. The success of the Prajapita Brahmakumaris shows that successful female religious and political heads and leaders are quite possible, and maybe a necesity in these times of increasing strife and conflict started by male religious leaders and aggressive male politicians.

ideogenous_mover said:

It must be sort of faith whereby this Christ can see past a man for being slovenly and womanizing ,

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and that Christ has the faith in fact, that there is a radiant heart in the depths of that massively beer-gutted, skull tattooed biker, who is so ready to be boorish with his fellow man.

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Or perhaps he doesn't have that heart, even be it small as a dime? Then Christ be only on his lips, to be used as the ultimate excuse for selfish gain, a name uttered in spare moments, as if it were the shortest, most universal, and most effective magic spell.

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John

ajay0 said:

Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother and was also baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.

All this religious influence however did not prevent him from executing his atrocities later on.

The only christian sect which opposed him with steadfastness was the Jehovah's Witnesses , and which in turn was severely persecuted by the Nazis.

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That reads like a section out of a tract from the Jehovah's Witnesses?

I've never read, or don't remember reading, that Hitler's mother was a Catholic. Nevertheless, Christianity requires faith from the individual. You can't knock your spouse out with sleeping pills and baptize them to make sure they're with you on the other side of the pearly gates.



John

ajay0 said:

Women may indeed be great administrators. And they clearly don't often appear to have the aggressiveness men usually do. And yet they (women) rarely reach to the heights of what we call "genius." No matter where you look, art, science, religion, or politics, women almost never produce something like Shakespeare, or Napoleon, or Abraham Lincoln.​

That's because of patriarchial dominance in society which relegated women to child bearing roles and to the kitchen rather than active roles and careers in society. Those who were fortunate enough to have careers in the world in recent times had done well in them.
conflict started by male religious leaders and aggressive male politicians.

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The historian and philosopher Will Durant kind of put the lie to the idea that women aren't geniuses simply because they've been dominated. He claims that genius is so valuable that, like a gold coin lying on the ground, it's never ignored or undervalued. He pointed out that even in societies where Jews were hated and dominated far more than women have ever been, Jews rose to prominence in almost every area because genius is indeed like a gold coin that no one will throw away, give away, or not want to profit from.

Whether it's a Jew, a woman, or a lowly corporal in the French army, when someone possesses genius, they use it, and it never fails.

Notwithstanding some notable women (and you noted a few) women simply do not, and cannot, and never will, in the aggregate, and in this transitory phase of human existence, produce the sort of genius that is comparatively commonplace for men. And I don't believe it's a matter of dominance since I've lived among women and men all my life and could say that a reasonable percentage of the men I've known could be thought to possess some level of genius whereas the number of women I could say the same about pales into insignificance in comparison.

By no design or desire of my own, men have been wired for genius, while women are designed for shopping, paper-shuffling, and birthing men.




John

ideogenous_mover said:

And what's that principle? Election: that God determines our fate such that the only role we can play in that fate is to trust in the grace of God even against all outward appearance. Ergo, that outwardly slovenly, drunken, womanizing, cavalry office, is greater than the most moral and well-developed Jew or Samurai so long as he is moved by faith alone in Christ alone.
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All of this I suppose, is exactly the kind of theology that animism was a bulwark against : It is not a method where you are easily excused . You don't get to be blind to the way in which you live, and treat your environment, or treat your fellow man

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Your statement segues back, in a circuitous route, to the beginning of this thread, since the primary point of this thread is examining the qualitative difference between the evolutionary product of animism (which, animism, is a highborn form of humanism), versus Judeo/Christian thought (with emphasis on the Christian element of that thought).

Point being: yes humanists, legalists, Samurai, animists, are recognizably head and shoulders above, in most outward respects, the hoi polloi of the Christian [w]horde. Yes the aforementioned appear to be more evolved, more spiritual, literally a higher form of humanity.

And yet, so far as the evolution of modern technology is concerned, there's absolutely no comparison between humanistic, animistic, non-theistic, society, versus Judeo/Christianity, which, the latter, is based, wholly, on the holy writ of God: the Bible.

As noted in the other movie-based thread become essay, Avatar: Aborigines versus Technology, the most backward, whiskey-guzzling society on the planet, the US of A, is so far ahead of every other society on the planet, so far as creating, implementing, and sharing, high-tech, as to blow one's mind. The culture and society where over 70% are Judeo/Christian theists, and the same percentage deny Darwinism, and Global Warming (the latter being capitalized as a quasi-religious doctrine) has produced the lion's share of the world's high-tech.

The primary point of this thread, and the one linked to above, being, that high-tech is the measure of truth so far as life, and evolution are concerned, since, in truth, it's on course to utterly enslave those without it, and deify those who own it, when the techno-rapture, an event no more than fifty years away, produces a cosmic evolutionary change exponentially more stupendous than the Cambrian explosion.

Which is all to say that in a manner far more exaggerated than a whiskey-guzzling womanizer mowing down the glory of humanism's warriors, i.e., animistic warriors par excellent being mowed down by a Christian who can barely see his prey through the smoke of his tobacco and the blurred vision of his partying the night before, after the techno-rapture, the Gatling-gun will be replaced by technology that can't even be imagined in the minds of men prior to the Cambrian-like explosion of technology on the near horizon. He who owns the 21st century Gatlin-gun will not just be the world's preeminent warrior, but the next millennia's Greek god; he will literally live like a god, while his enemies will scurry in squalor, or swim like an immortal sperm-cell, or disease-carrying spirochete, in a lake of fire and feces, all because his enemies chose humanism over the Bible, and he and his Bible won in the end.




John

John D. Brey said:

John 8:10.

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I guess a problem with this theological device is that it might entail eventual auto-moraldeviation, and in my opinion, a lack of honesty about human nature, which is my main problem with it. Animists and Legalists may not like adultery, depending on their subjective morality across such societies, or individual standards, if the 'individual' can be said to exist among them. And indeed he would, for disagreement and discussion is everywhere prevalent. For I myself have no great rule against the amorousness for others, though I don't partake of it, preferring the duo system if possible. I just prefer they be honest about their primate nature, and the goals they try to feed through it. But with John 8:10, it seems like even light criticism is blunted away, and gets us on the road to the cowpie kicking cowboys

John D. Brey said:

Strive to enter in the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

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Assuming there is even a heaven type gate to enter or perceive ; that all the space and material you need is not already all around you

John D. Brey said:

As noted in the other movie-based thread become essay, Avatar: Aborigines versus Technology, the most backward, whiskey-guzzling society on the planet, the US of A, is so far ahead of every other society on the planet, so far as creating, implementing, and sharing, high-tech, as to blow one's mind. The culture and society where over 70% are Judeo/Christian theists, and the same percentage deny Darwinism, and Global Warming (the latter being capitalized as a quasi-religious doctrine) has produced the lion's share of the world's high-tech.

The primary point of this thread, and the one linked to above, being, that high-tech is the measure of truth so far as life, and evolution are concerned, since, in truth, it's on course to utterly enslave those without it, and deify those who own it, when the techno-rapture, an event no more than fifty years away, produces a cosmic evolutionary change exponentially more stupendous than the Cambrian explosion.

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But who's doing the tech.. is it the old wave cowboys, or is it the guys with ponytails who grew up with computers, who will live more in the head

John D. Brey said:

That reads like a section out of a tract from the Jehovah's Witnesses?

I've never read, or don't remember reading, that Hitler's mother was a Catholic. Nevertheless, Christianity requires faith from the individual. You can't knock your spouse out with sleeping pills and baptize them to make sure they're with you on the other side of the pearly gates.



John

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Not just Hitler, Himmler was a devout catholic too in his youth and the same time he was deeply anti-semitic as well.

You can see here Hitler being blessed by catholic priests....







Here I must also say that Carl von Ossietzky , the German pacifist who opposed Nazism and won the 1935 Nobel peace prize for his work in exposing the clandestine German rearmament was also a roman catholic. He died in a german concentration camp in 1938.

Carl von Ossietzky - Wikipedia

John D. Brey said:

The historian and philosopher Will Durant kind of put the lie to the idea that women aren't geniuses simply because they've been dominated. He claims that genius is so valuable that, like a gold coin lying on the ground, it's never ignored or undervalued. He pointed out that even in societies where Jews were hated and dominated far more than women have ever been, Jews rose to prominence in almost every area because genius is indeed like a gold coin that no one will throw away, give away, or not want to profit from.

Whether it's a Jew, a woman, or a lowly corporal in the French army, when someone possesses genius, they use it, and it never fails.

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Here are four Jewish women scientists who made valuable discoveries....

The 4 Jewish Women Who Changed Science Forever – Kveller

John D. Brey said:

Notwithstanding some notable women (and you noted a few) women simply do not, and cannot, and never will, in the aggregate, and in this transitory phase of human existence, produce the sort of genius that is comparatively commonplace for men. And I don't believe it's a matter of dominance since I've lived among women and men all my life and could say that a reasonable percentage of the men I've known could be thought to possess some level of genius whereas the number of women I could say the same about pales into insignificance in comparison.

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When millions of men were fighting wars and killing each other in european battlefields stupidly on the commands of their male armchair generals and kings from the comfort of their palaces, it was a female nurse named Florence Nightingale who established nursing standards that brought down the casualty rate dramatically due to better nursing and care of the injured and sick.

Florence Nightingale - Wikipedia

Florence Nightingale was not only known as the founder of modern nursing, but was also a social reformer and renowned for her statistical and administrative skills.

Without her, millions of more stupid men would have died due to poor standards of hygiene and medical care in the face of official indifference. Nightingale changed all that permanently.

John D. Brey said:

By no design or desire of my own, men have been wired for genius, while women are designed for shopping, paper-shuffling, and birthing men.

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But birthing men painfully, protecting them in their helpless state as infants, cleaning their urine and faeces and ensuring they are in a dignified state till they are physically independent is a nursing accomplishment in itself.

There is a shortage of nurses these days and they are paid a lot for the 'dirty' jobs of cleaning up patients who have soiled themselves in beds due to physical incapacitance.