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Your View of Sin

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Christians. I found this question interesting from Quora:

How has your view of "sin" changed over the years of being a Christian?

I don't have an opinion about sin, but I thought this was thought provoking.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm a non-Christian, but I have been given to understand by some Christians that sin is an offense against God, as opposed to purely and solely an offense against other humans. I wonder if all Christians believe that?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Sin:
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to keep the flock in line.
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to make the flock feel bad about their thoughts and actions.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'm a non-Christian, but I have been given to understand by some Christians that sin is an offense against God, as opposed to purely and solely an offense against other humans. I wonder if all Christians believe that?

I don't know. I couldn't figure out where to put the OP since I'm not a christian myself. Ideally, when someone practices religion, their religion helps them become better people not make them perfect. So, there are probably quite a few-though I wonder if their notion of sin changed over the years-maybe more matured in their practice or better perspective or so have you.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Sin:
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to keep the flock in line.
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to make the flock feel bad about their thoughts and actions.

Sin just means transgression against one's values (in the OP case god). Has your perspective of what you consider moral behavior changed over the years?
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm a non-Christian, but I have been given to understand by some Christians that sin is an offense against God, as opposed to purely and solely an offense against other humans. I wonder if all Christians believe that?

Disordered attachment would be the Catholic understanding.

I couldn't personally relate to the idea of viewing sin primarily as an "offence", that's a legalism in my mind which would make it very difficult to understand what "salvation" (sozo) literally means in Greek: to be made whole.

Sin is not about two categories of avowed "lawful" and "unlawful", and then lapsing into the “bad” pile, but rather in the tradition, a case of not having ordered one's desires properly.

As the Epistle of James in the New Testament puts it:


"Those conflicts and disputes among you, where do they come from? Do they not come from your cravings that are at war within you? You want something and do not have it; so you commit murder. And you covet something and cannot obtain it; so you engage in disputes and conflicts." (James 4:1-2)​


If we had not 'fallen', in the Catholic doctrinal imagination, humankind would have remained perfectly free to make every moral decision but wouldn't have been plagued by selfish cravings which disordered both ourselves and the wider web of our human relationships, as well as our relationship with God too.

In his Spiritual Exercises, St. Ignatius Loyola (founder of the Jesuits) indicated that the exercises were designed to “overcome oneself, and to order one’s life, without reaching a decision through some disordered affection.”
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Disordered attachment would be the Catholic understanding.

I couldn't personally relate to the idea of viewing sin primarily as an "offence", that's a legalism in my mind which would make it very difficult to understand what "salvation" (sozo) literally means in Greek: to be made whole.

Sin is not about two categories of avowed "lawful" and "unlawful", and then lapsing into the “bad” pile, but rather in the tradition, a case of not having ordered one's desires properly.

As the Epistle of James in the New Testament puts it:


"Those conflicts and disputes among you, where do they come from? Do they not come from your cravings that are at war within you? You want something and do not have it; so you commit murder. And you covet something and cannot obtain it; so you engage in disputes and conflicts." (James 4:1-2)​


If we had not 'fallen', in the Catholic doctrinal imagination, humankind would have remained perfectly free to make every moral decision but wouldn't have been plagued by selfish cravings which disordered both ourselves and the wider web of our human relationships, as well as our relationship with God too.

In his Spiritual Exercises, St. Ignatius Loyola (founder of the Jesuits) indicated that the exercises were designed to “overcome oneself, and to order one’s life, without reaching a decision through some disordered affection.”

Thank you so much, Vouthon! I was hoping you would weigh in on that one! Very illuminating!
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
I'm a non-Christian, but I have been given to understand by some Christians that sin is an offense against God, as opposed to purely and solely an offense against other humans. I wonder if all Christians believe that?

I now understand sin to be anything that cuts me off from communion with God in Christ.

How can I tell if God is present? If I sense His peace and the assurance that comes with faith.

How do I know if I am not in communion? Anxieties, impatience and disharmony.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Sin:
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to keep the flock in line.
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to make the flock feel bad about their thoughts and actions.

Please clarify... are you talking about religious leaders or the average debater here on RF?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Christians. I found this question interesting from Quora:

How has your view of "sin" changed over the years of being a Christian?

I don't have an opinion about sin, but I thought this was thought provoking.

I believe the original idea was that sin was a transgression of God's laws. Fairly simply, here are the laws, don't break them.

It later became something to support Christian theology. Original sin, the idea that all humans are imperfect. That man is incapable of being good doing good so we needed a savior to pay a price that we could not pay because we were not perfect. "Sin is my nature and only faith in Jesus' payment for my sin can get me into heaven".
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Christians. I found this question interesting from Quora:

How has your view of "sin" changed over the years of being a Christian?

I don't have an opinion about sin, but I thought this was thought provoking.
My view of sin hasn't necessarily changed as much as the power of God's grace has increased that overcomes sin.

There are all types of sins... overt sins, unknowing sins, sins against God, man and yourself... I'm sure there is more.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Please clarify... are you talking about religious leaders or the average debater here on RF?

Christians-RFians, religious leaders (I think we have a couple of pastors here), etc. Insight from all is fine I couldn't put it in their DIR but since people debate,why not here.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I believe the original idea was that sin was a transgression of God's laws. Fairly simply, here are the laws, don't break them.

It later became something to support Christian theology. Original sin, the idea that all humans are imperfect. That man is incapable of being good doing good so we needed a savior to pay a price that we could not pay because we were not perfect. "Sin is my nature and only faith in Jesus' payment for my sin can get me into heaven".

Has your concept of sin above changed throughout the years or stayed stagnate?
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Sin:
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to keep the flock in line.
A concept created by self-serving religious leaders to make the flock feel bad about their thoughts and actions.

I believe sin is real, because I believe we all do things that we arent supposed to do, things that arent healthy or ideal.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I think sin is a control mechanism. Such a concept doesn’t necessarily translate into my religious background as “sin” is largely argued about and ultimately subjective. Also such a word doesn’t technically exist amongst the Dharmic faiths
I prefer to live by ethical values. Sin is too loaded and easily corrupts otherwise well meaning people.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Has your concept of sin above changed throughout the years or stayed stagnate?

After reading through the OT what was defined as sin is pretty clear. What I was taught was different. So actually reading through the Bible changed what my understanding of sin was.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
I think sin is a control mechanism. Such a concept doesn’t necessarily translate into my religious background as “sin” is largely argued about and ultimately subjective. Also such a word doesn’t technically exist amongst the Dharmic faiths
I prefer to live by ethical values. Sin is too loaded and easily corrupts otherwise well meaning people.

Don't we all do bad things? How is sin too loaded of a word?
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
After reading through the OT what was defined as sin is pretty clear. What I was taught was different. So actually reading through the Bible changed what my understanding of sin was.

What did you think sin was before you read the Bible?
 
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