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Democrat Lt. Governor wants to pardon voter fraud in Pennsylvania.

What should happen if this person is convicted of voter fraud?

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fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Trump supporter accused of voter fraud invited to apply for a pardon — in gratitude for proving ‘how hard voter fraud is’

First it needs to be understood that this is not evidence of widespread voter fraud. There is still no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud even close to the level that could affect the election in the state, or nation wide. The fact that this person was caught shows how hard voter fraud is to get away with.

But what do you think should happen to this individual if they are convicted?
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Neither option,
10-years too much; but there needs to be some punishment even if it is (say) $1000 fine
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Neither of the choices are what I'd choose. My current, fairly ignorant take on the circumstances is that he should do some time as a deterrent but I think 10 years is too long. Maybe 2-5.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan said:
That sounds more reasonable than 2 to 10 years of someone's life taken away and lived in a freaking PRISON among people who may have committed crimes of a more violent or heinous seeming nature.
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Voter fraud and even more so election fraud should be a serious crime in a democracy but that should not be a reason to ruin someone's life. The punishment should fit the crime. Public service is a good idea and maybe getting banned from public office or running for office.
 
DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan

DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan

DVMAZ
Heyo said:
Voter fraud and even more so election fraud should be a serious crime in a democracy but that should not be a reason to ruin someone's life. The punishment should fit the crime. Public service is a good idea and maybe getting banned from public office or running for office.
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Yep, that all sounds appropriate and fine to me really, but being sent into a prison system with shanking violent rapists and robbers and murderers is just CRAZY. That would be a nightmare STATE or government with laws like that, I'd run headlong from such a place for fear of ever being prosecuted or accused of anything if the laws were so dangerous and harsh.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
fantome profane said:
Trump supporter accused of voter fraud invited to apply for a pardon — in gratitude for proving ‘how hard voter fraud is’

First it needs to be understood that this is not evidence of widespread voter fraud. There is still no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud even close to the level that could affect the election in the state, or nation wide. The fact that this person was caught shows how hard voter fraud is to get away with.

But what do you think should happen to this individual if they are convicted?
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I think 10 years in prison is a bit harsh, but perhaps 30 days in the local jail plus community service? Hard to say without knowing the entire circumstance. One illegal vote won't exactly undo the entire voting system, but it has to be demonstrated that consequences exist.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
fantome profane said:
Trump supporter accused of voter fraud invited to apply for a pardon — in gratitude for proving ‘how hard voter fraud is’

First it needs to be understood that this is not evidence of widespread voter fraud. There is still no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud even close to the level that could affect the election in the state, or nation wide. The fact that this person was caught shows how hard voter fraud is to get away with.

But what do you think should happen to this individual if they are convicted?
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I didn't vote since it isn't either or on the two suggested answers. He should be prosecuted and not pardoned.

But I disagree that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. It is still under litigation to establish whether it is or isn't.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
KenS said:
I didn't vote since it isn't either or on the two suggested answers. He should be prosecuted and not pardoned.
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And what sentence do you think would be appropriate if convicted? Less than 10 years or more than ten years.

The evidence clearly shows the voter fraud is very rare in the US. And one of the reason for this is that the penalty greatly outweighs any possible gain. That is why I feel that 10 years, or even more is appropriate for someone who knowingly tries to commit this heinous act. This person knew it was illegal, he knew it was wrong and he tried it anyway. I think he should get even more than 10 years. What do you think?
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
fantome profane said:
Trump supporter accused of voter fraud invited to apply for a pardon — in gratitude for proving ‘how hard voter fraud is’

First it needs to be understood that this is not evidence of widespread voter fraud. There is still no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud even close to the level that could affect the election in the state, or nation wide. The fact that this person was caught shows how hard voter fraud is to get away with.

But what do you think should happen to this individual if they are convicted?
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Make him a politician. He's perfect for office.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
fantome profane said:
Trump supporter accused of voter fraud invited to apply for a pardon — in gratitude for proving ‘how hard voter fraud is’

First it needs to be understood that this is not evidence of widespread voter fraud. There is still no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud even close to the level that could affect the election in the state, or nation wide. The fact that this person was caught shows how hard voter fraud is to get away with.

But what do you think should happen to this individual if they are convicted?
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My reply to the survey is “neither of the above. 10 years is a bit harsh, and Pardons are always done without explanation and sometimes without reason.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
fantome profane said:
And what sentence do you think would be appropriate if convicted? Less than 10 years or more than ten years.

The evidence clearly shows the voter fraud is very rare in the US. And one of the reason for this is that the penalty greatly outweighs any possible gain. That is why I feel that 10 years, or even more is appropriate for someone who knowingly tries to commit this heinous act. This person knew it was illegal, he knew it was wrong and he tried it anyway. I think he should get even more than 10 years. What do you think?
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Goodness... at most I will be making a shot in the dark... there are a lot of people who knowingly do things that are illegal - and don't get ten years. So many factors... how bad was it - he wasn't filling out dozens

3 months max (having a record is a lifelong punishment) - with time off for good behavior and not having the right to vote for the rest of his life.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
fantome profane said:
Trump supporter accused of voter fraud invited to apply for a pardon — in gratitude for proving ‘how hard voter fraud is’

First it needs to be understood that this is not evidence of widespread voter fraud. There is still no evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud even close to the level that could affect the election in the state, or nation wide. The fact that this person was caught shows how hard voter fraud is to get away with.

But what do you think should happen to this individual if they are convicted?
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I hope they make a big display amd ceremony (as nig as they can given the covid), a grand Foucaultian display to loudly make an example of it, that here is the evidence that's it's very hard to get away with this on a small amd insignificant scale, let alone on an election altering scale, play it all up, and end with "go and sin no more" with this warning as the next time those police in the background are coming for you.
 
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