Audie
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I'm in HK, trying to work with people in Vancouver. Its already tomorrow here.
Now too wired for sleep and its morning.
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Why MAGA Is a Bad Thing
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I'm in HK, trying to work with people in Vancouver. Its already tomorrow here.
Now too wired for sleep and its morning.
Oh God... I'm sorry to hear that. If it makes you feel better, I work graveyard shift and my work day is about to begin, and I woke up at 5:00 AM for some terrible reason. You won't have to suffer alone.
At that time they were simply a political party. The atrocities came later. Anyone can see it was a bad move in hindsight.
Audie
Veteran Member
Oh God... I'm sorry to hear that. If it makes you feel better, I work graveyard shift and my work day is about to begin, and I woke up at 5:00 AM for some terrible reason. You won't have to suffer alone.
Its ok this is far from the first time.
I've the best English so I get volunteered for this.
I am out on the patio, with tea and sun sparkling on the sea and a cool sunny morning.
Hey, come suffer with me! Its not so bad.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
Experience is another word for hindsight. We're supposed to learn from it.
Not being one of them, your saying what they believe rings hollow.
I just had to respond to this, because of something that I've remembered -- though right now I can't recall the source. But it was once said that it is important to remember that "everything that was done in Nazi Germany was legal."
That's something that we really ought to ponder, and ask ourselves, "is that really okay?"
Certainly worth considering towards limiting the powers of government.
Regiomontanus
Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
It is nationalism which is toxic and the source of most of the problems in the world today.
Yes, I believe that's what I'm saying. What does it mean, for your average American, to say "we were great once, and we're not anymore, but we can be again?"
We could just start with that little pronoun "we." Okay, maybe the US was a hegemon of some significance, but how did that make anybody from the hills of PA "great?" What, if you were a tatoo artist in South MoleHill GA, about America's world hegemony devolves to you, to make you proud?
Its ok this is far from the first time.
I've the best English so I get volunteered for this.
I am out on the patio, with tea and sun sparkling on the sea and a cool sunny morning.
Hey, come suffer with me! Its not so bad.
Jeez... That doesn't sound bad at all! I'd rather endure your torment than mine right now. I'm stepping out into an already darkening night where I'll be interacting with covid positive patients in the middle of a hospital going through an outbreak...
Tea and a sunrise on a patio with yah sounds like a much better fate.
That description sounds much better than the last attempt.
I don't understand this.
Yeah, no.
Like we are supposed to learn from the failures of socialist countries?
Like kids are supposed to learn from their parent's mistakes?
Each generation thinks they can avoid the pitfalls of the past. Though human nature seems to lead us into the same pitfalls.
Not that I am a fan of it but national pride has been used to lead nations out of economic slumps. Group pride is often used to encourage productivity.
We seemed to be wired for it. Politicians can use it and abuse it.
You are probably right but I don't know how to otherwise duplicate the benefits.
I was trying to make the point that there is little point in being either proud, or ashamed, of anything over which you have absolutely no control. I won't bother with the many quotes that decry "patriotism" (e.g. the last refuge of the scoundrel). Rather, I'll point out that there are really only very few of us that can have any real say about what our nation does.
I am, therefore, always grateful to be a Canadian. I am not, however, always unequivocally proud of what my country is doing. Sometimes, I think we're wrong -- and when I do, I say so.
I'm OK with that.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
I think Nuremberg answered that question. The judgments were founded on the principle that we have a duty to follow the guidance of conscience.
According to the US Code of Military Justice, soldiers now have the duty to disobey illegal orders. Of course they're not lawyers. The best they can do is disoby orders that FEEL wrong and hope the military court agrees.
I wonder if that doesn't impose an unreasonable risk on an ordinary soldier with a decent conscience.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
There is a camaraderie that happens when people cooperate in a worthy cause, like pulling out of an economic slump. That's unlike the nationalist's feeling of superiority which can justify ignoring the welfare of the global community to pursue selfish interests.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
Sure it does. We can only hope that their training covers the most likely moral issues that the soldier might face.