When I discover a secret in mindful reflection, with which eye do you speak of?
Regards Tony
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Why Believers Can Not Be Quiet
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When I discover a secret in mindful reflection, with which eye do you speak of?
Regards Tony
You have raised many good points about when silence is good, I think, well know I need to learn to listen, that has always been an issue I have had.
Your last comment is what I would like to discuss, as I see many offer that path.
How do we find unity as a human race if the good we practice is not shared with others who are yet to consider that good?
What good was that teaching, if it was not to be shared?
So to take an extreme example, if in our silence we are still full of predudices, should not that silence be shattered?
It could very well be that our inner selves are proven in our deeds.
What I am finding in reply to you, is that each comment has many tangents of discussion. So if we are silent, how do we discuss these issues and find common ground?
Regards Tony
That is a good scripture to quote.
It brings up many thoughts about when we choose to speak, we must choose our words wisely, or we will be seen as the fools we might really be!
I think not being silent, is for our own benefit, the more we talk of God and faith, the more we see we do not know and the more we can learn.
Regards Tony
Not only do we know what happened to Jesus, but we can also read what will happen to those who follow Jesus.
At Matthew 24:9 we are told they would be hated - hated by all nations.....
This is because of the message of Matthew 24:14 about God's kingdom ( Daniel 2:44) .
' Thy kingdom come....' is about a real government in the hands of Christ Jesus.
Jesus, as king of God's kingdom, will take control over earthly enemies.
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stvdv
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IMHO:
When people make a show of it, that I don't call Silence, that is mere Show (Fake Silence)
Sai Baba explained it perfectly; I think these 2 examples clarify best what I meant (real challenges, not easy):
1) "It's easy to be in Silence when staying in the Forest/Himalaya; but the real challenge is Silence in Action"
2) "Head in the Forest (for rest), Hands in Society"
Only "Real Silence" can bring about unity; Silence as I described above of course.
I don't see the tides fight and quarrel, so I guess that is an example of "Real Silence" when being in motion/action
To think in terms of better and/or best (judgment is a big obstacle of Silence) is impossible when talking about "Real Silence"
Exactly. But at least you are honest about it. That is the most needed first step. Being with Sai Baba was amazing. The closer I was near Him, the more terrible thoughts resurfaced
. Once sitting next to Him (1 cm distance), I thought "how would He look without clothes". Oh my God, I never felt so ashamed in my life I think, because I know that He knows all my thoughts (He proved that enough to me). But at least it humbled me, and showed me that I have lots of work to that in that area of "monkey mind control"Love, Peace (in mind) and Blessings to you TonyI am yet to find true silence, except when I sleep and do not dream
Not for nothing that the Bible tells us "the path is small, only very few will find it, and even fewer will reach the end"
Regards Tony
That is one of the results of not being silent, many people of many faiths have suffered the same result.
I applaud them all personally, as I see God chooses them as they will not be silent.
But even Jesus said if you offer the Faith given by Jesus the Christ it must be done with wisdom and not given to those that do not want to hear.
I personally think spreading of Messages has not been done in the way it should have, we are yet to learn as to how to offer good to each other, in a way that truly reflects what was offered.
Regards Tony
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oldbadger
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I know, Tony.
Some folks are so wrapped up in complicated stuff that they don't know what ’Keep watching' simply means.
Watch what they do. Not how they spout their ideas of truth.
Exactly. But at least you are honest about it. That is the most needed first step. Being with Sai Baba was amazing. The closer I was near Him, the more terrible thoughts resurfaced
I see what you have offered there, is how I see the fear of God in our lives. That to know God sees everything we do and knows all our thoughts, God knows us better than our own selves.
Thus I should weigh my actions against what God has asked of me.
Love and Peace always stvdv
Regards Tony
That is the best advice for all most likely, be know by your deeds.
Are you aware that is what the Prophets have offered?
They ask us to look at their lives, before one looks at the Message.
Regards Tony
Yes, Scripture says to brush the dust off you feet to those who do not want to hear.
God forces No one to serve or worship Him.
One historian calculated that out of all the people Jesus spoke to only 1% became a follower.
Yes, always room for improvement in a way that truly reflects what is offered.
Jesus was the perfect teacher and we are just learners under him.
Who are you to assume for whom a teaching was intended?
In my experience, people reject ideas they're not ready to accept, especially ideas that aren't objectively evident.
Who do you feel should decide if they're ready? Them? You? Baha'u'llah? God?
Should it be an option to wait until they are ready? Or do you think they should made to accept said ideas by shoving it down their throats? Which do you think might be the path of least resistance?
Trailblazer
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Them.
stvdv
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Yes.
I think another saying of Sai Baba you might like is this: In Kali Yuga it is almost impossible for people to control their mind and to meditate; hence in Kali Yuga all that is needed is 'Love All, Serve All' and/or 'Hurt Never, Help Ever'.". Once in an interview I was thinking "Hurt never" is easy for me, but "Help Ever" is more difficult, because how do I know what is best for the other. Within a second Sai Baba turned over to me, and said "Help Ever".
So, we need not worry about our monkey mind, that is part of Kali Yuga. Remember/repeat the Name of God is also sufficient. For me it's easy, your Master's Name is much more difficult than mine, esp. how to exactly write it correctly
I am curious, did Bahaullah said similar things like this? I think He did, because a few years ago I read quite a bit from Him, and I remember that all felt very familiar, but I am not sure IF He also emphasized the importance of the Name of God/Guru/Master/Prophet?
Again, many good questions, I guess they are the questions that show us the diversity of the Faith we have embraced.
I have to ponder in silence, if it is any of my assumptions I share here in RF. I would agree that would not be beneficial at all.
It is also an interesting question to ask, that is, when is it a person can be seen to be ready?
History shows that sometimes the greatest enemy had to be first the enemy before they became someone who then accepted what was told to them and then those that were keen to ask became the vilest of those who rejected.
It is also a contentious issue as to what it truth in faith, so that has to be imparted as well.
It is indeed a tricky game, when to be quite and when to share.
Regards Tony
Yes.
I think another saying of Sai Baba you might like is this: In Kali Yuga it is almost impossible for people to control their mind and to meditate; hence in Kali Yuga all that is needed is 'Love All, Serve All' and/or 'Hurt Never, Help Ever'.". Once in an interview I was thinking "Hurt never" is easy for me, but "Help Ever" is more difficult, because how do I know what is best for the other. Within a second Sai Baba turned over to me, and said "Help Ever".
So, we need not worry about our monkey mind, that is part of Kali Yuga. Remember/repeat the Name of God is also sufficient. For me it's easy, your Master's Name is much more difficult than mine, esp. how to exactly write it correctly
I am curious, did Bahaullah said similar things like this? I think He did, because a few years ago I read quite a bit from Him, and I remember that all felt very familiar, but I am not sure IF He also emphasized the importance of the Name of God/Guru/Master/Prophet?
Yes that were indeed wise words.
We are asked to bring God to mind as much as we can, as this then enables us to reflect on the virtue and morals we are asked live by.
The Glory of God, or Glory of the Lord. is the translation of Baha'u'llah, so in saying that name we are giving all Glory to God.
Two other we use is Ya Baha'ul Abha "O Thou the Glory of the Most Glorious!"
and as a greeting Allah'u'abha, "God is the Most Glorious".
Regards Tony
stvdv
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Thank you.
True. There is a saying "Tell me your company, I tell you who you are". Hence the importance of God's Name = Great mental company/thought IMO
rational experiences
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Modern day song in Australia. You're the voice try to understand it. We will no longer sit in silence looking down the barrel of a gun. We are all someone's Daughter we are all someone's son. Sung by John Farnham.
I learnt we hear our own voice. Another song when you die you are singing in a choir.
Why I argue against science. I heard my family living their life sacrificed with no one making changes.
Due to the fact. Ground fission first activation for fission why life was sacrificed and image gained due to chemical dust.
Even though most of the creation is machine controlled origin is with nature first.
Ice began to melt life began to die sacrificed by all forms cell and blood sacrifice. Science the occult knew.
Years of radiation release then brought our attention. Ice melt.
Science mind notified. A higher ground irradiation nature release taken out of machine control.
Power plants began to overheat. Atmospheric reactive conditions increased.
Extra radiation in our heavens.
Science psyche notified. Not seen power plant destruction now falsely communicated to their psyche.
Machine caused reactions.
The same about temple pyramid.
I am not a scientist. Yet info said compare ground design pyramid and temple to nuclear reactor model. I did and it does look similar.
If technology machines today use massive voice transmitted communications recorded. We own evidence today that supports science practices in the past affected life.
By the statements
VIETNAM WAR ERA:
Link is about: Simon and Garfunkle's Sound of Silence. In 1981, a half million people attended this concert in Central Park, New York. It is about Vietnam War protestors being beaten into silence
"songs that voices never shared, no one dared, disturb the sound of silence"
"silence like a cancer grows"
"words like silent raindrops fell"
"words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenements, and whispered in the sounds of silence."
Governor Ronald Reagan of California (later president of the United States, and the choice of the Religious Right) ordered the the state police to beat the heads of protestors with billy clubs, which was supposed to have been illegal, but resulted in many permanent brain injuries of the brightest students in the world.
The media treated protestors as rabble-rousers without a cause and refused to report on their purpose. Actually, they objected that the young were drafted without having the benefit of electing those who had ordered them to war. Many didn't believe in violence, and had no beef with the Vietnamese. America ended up losing that war (and other wars).
MODERN ERA:
Facebook, Google, and a host of blogs and forums react to the COVID pandemic with the thought that false info could harm people and spread the disease. So they banned many people, including posts by President Donald Trump.
So they ban free press/speech on the internet. The internet had not yet been invented when the First Amendment was written, so press is not free. Rather, websites are paid, and various factions can decide to ban discussions.
The banning of free press/speech/assembly, puts us one step closer to a Communist dictatorship.
Tony Bristow-Stagg said "little progress can be made in silence." That is worthy of mass quotation....worthy of a song, and I praise his sentiment.
Words can cause wars and fights. I've often said that "there is no weapon stronger than shooting off one's mouth."
Yet, free discourse allows others to moderate harmful words.
Hitler murdered 6 million Jews and made unprovoked wars against many peaceful nations, and dragged allies into the war to help him (initially Russia, then Japan, then Italy). All that was from speech. The listeners have a duty to listen to God, instead. We must eternally be vigilant of Satan's deceptions which lead us into sin and harm.
God said "thou shalt not kill." The US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. Can we hear the voice of God through the cacophony of fear?
Link is about: Simon and Garfunkle's Sound of Silence. In 1981, a half million people attended this concert in Central Park, New York. It is about Vietnam War protestors being beaten into silence
"songs that voices never shared, no one dared, disturb the sound of silence"
"silence like a cancer grows"
"words like silent raindrops fell"
"words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenements, and whispered in the sounds of silence."
Governor Ronald Reagan of California (later president of the United States, and the choice of the Religious Right) ordered the the state police to beat the heads of protestors with billy clubs, which was supposed to have been illegal, but resulted in many permanent brain injuries of the brightest students in the world.
The media treated protestors as rabble-rousers without a cause and refused to report on their purpose. Actually, they objected that the young were drafted without having the benefit of electing those who had ordered them to war. Many didn't believe in violence, and had no beef with the Vietnamese. America ended up losing that war (and other wars).
MODERN ERA:
Facebook, Google, and a host of blogs and forums react to the COVID pandemic with the thought that false info could harm people and spread the disease. So they banned many people, including posts by President Donald Trump.
So they ban free press/speech on the internet. The internet had not yet been invented when the First Amendment was written, so press is not free. Rather, websites are paid, and various factions can decide to ban discussions.
The banning of free press/speech/assembly, puts us one step closer to a Communist dictatorship.
Tony Bristow-Stagg said "little progress can be made in silence." That is worthy of mass quotation....worthy of a song, and I praise his sentiment.
Words can cause wars and fights. I've often said that "there is no weapon stronger than shooting off one's mouth."
Yet, free discourse allows others to moderate harmful words.
Hitler murdered 6 million Jews and made unprovoked wars against many peaceful nations, and dragged allies into the war to help him (initially Russia, then Japan, then Italy). All that was from speech. The listeners have a duty to listen to God, instead. We must eternally be vigilant of Satan's deceptions which lead us into sin and harm.
God said "thou shalt not kill." The US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. Can we hear the voice of God through the cacophony of fear?
I think the more we learn how to be silent in this world, it may be that our voice an then be raised and motivated by the source of our being.
Regards Tony