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Make Known His Deeds

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Clara Tea

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If God controls everything, wasn't it God who trapped those miners underground in the first place?

Jews stayed alive during torture at the hands of Nazis, and they kept their faith. But wasn't it God who allowed them to suffer?

It's sort of like finding a lucky penny on the freeway, picking it up, getting struck by 5 cars, then praising the lucky penny because it would have been a lot worse without the good luck.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
My whole family had corona. I prayed to Gaensha, our elephant God. We are all OK Now.
That is why Ganesha is known as "Vighnaharta", one who removes all obstacles.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Clara Tea said:
If God controls everything, wasn't it God who trapped those miners underground in the first place?

Jews stayed alive during torture at the hands of Nazis, and they kept their faith. But wasn't it God who allowed them to suffer?

It's sort of like finding a lucky penny on the freeway, picking it up, getting struck by 5 cars, then praising the lucky penny because it would have been a lot worse without the good luck.
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There's an interesting passage in Luke 4:5-8.
'And the devil, taking him [Jesus] up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.'

Did you notice that Jesus never contradicted Satan when Satan claimed to have power over the kingdoms of the world?

The question I ask is, When did Satan obtain this power? And the only answer I can find is when Adam sinned. When Adam sinned, power must have been transferred to Satan, and at the same time the harmony of nature itself was upset.

Since Christ has now ascended his throne, having defeated the power of sin and death, He has been handed dominion over both heaven and earth [Daniel 7:13,14]. But I believe that the battle is on-going and has still to be won, because sin still exists and the kingdom of God is not yet universal. So the spiritual battle goes on, and despite all the violence, wickedness and natural disasters, it is only faith and love that can win the day; I believe!
 
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syo

syo

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Redemptionsong said:
Can you tell us, without naming names?
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Yes. The woman had serious health problems and she saw a dream like a vision where a saint gave her holy water to drink. He said mother Mary gave to him the holy water for the woman. She drunk it and then she woke up. Then she got examined and all the tests were clear. She never takes the cross off since then.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Aupmanyav said:
These Gods and Goddesses, miracle workers. Why does anyone need modern medicine and vaccines?
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I've had to think hard about this issue. The conclusion I've reached is that medicine and miracles are like law and grace. Medicine is objectively provided, the intention being that all people should benefit from the findings of science. Miracles are only obtained through faith, which is subjective. The same is true of law; it is intended to cover everyone. Grace, however, is only received by those who seek in faith.

I think, therefore, that medicine is fine, and should not be dismissed, but if you have faith for miracles, it's even better!
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Redemptionsong said:
I think, therefore, that medicine is fine, and should not be dismissed, but if you have faith for miracles, it's even better!
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I think modern medicine should definitely be dismissed, the hospitals closed and the doctors and other medical personnel should be asked to seek their livelihood in logging or farming. Why fattening the medical companies, why to engage such a large number of people in useless enterprise when just faith is enough.
Holy water, yeah, we have enough of it in River Ganges.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Aupmanyav said:
I think modern medicine should definitely be dismissed, the hospitals closed and the doctors and other medical personnel should be asked to seek their livelihood in logging or farming. Why fattening the medical companies, why to engage such a large number of people in useless enterprise when just faith is enough.
Holy water, yeah, we have enough of it in River Ganges.
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Very funny. :)
 
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