What are you talking about? You're not being treated any different from anyone I've seen saying the same things, as far as I can see.
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Gay Bashing
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nPeace
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What are you talking about? Who's talking about the way I am treated?
nPeace
Veteran Member
I wonder whom you are referring to, since I don't know of any Christian who is interested in what people do in bed.
I think though, we are all concerned with what we believe is right and wrong.
Well I should take that back, since not all of us are concerned with right and wrong, as some don't believe there is right or wrong, except for very few things.
As I said earlier, what people choose to do, is their responsibility.
We are interested in people who are seeking.
Your posts in this thread are a good example.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
No. It's not. Way back in it's early days a lot of the anti-LGBT stuff that is allowed now wasn't then.
If you withdraw your statement I won't make you eat it and bury you with studies that affirm I speak from a well-informed position.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Laws that ban oral sex, anal sex, sex shops, sex toys, sex websites, sex magazines and videos, unmarried couples living together, you find Christians driving the law and dictating what other people do in their bedroom.
nPeace
Veteran Member
That's what I call an erroneous interpretation.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Here are the "ethics of a gay relationship."
It's consensual and does harm to no one so mind your own damn business.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I'm honestly not sure your point. Is this it?
"It may surprise you, but these people are only one of millions, who believes it is wrong to condemn their lifestyle."
Who child abusers? That would shock me. Though, I don't see the connection between child abuse and same-sex behavior.
What is the connection between the two?
It's hard to comment because each minority relates to discrimination and so forth in different ways that one person may think of gay as being X and another person as Y. People's personal experiences shape how they use the word so another point I'd add is it's better to ask "and" take their word for it.
I'd have to know the context of the conversation. My friend is a gay christian and she says she has no problem with being gay-because gay to her isn't something she does/doesn't do. It's who she is as a human being with whom she feels god created. So, hers is focused on the beauty of sexuality while others see it as lust of the flesh.
How does genitals make the difference between one person's lust and the other person's love?
I can see if one's spirit in a relationship can determine the difference between what's morally good or bad, but one's sex??
nPeace
Veteran Member
I don't know. I wasn't here as long as you were. I can only speak of what I have seen.
Nothing to withdraw. ...and I'm not eating anything... other than my food, right now.
Besides that I am not going to compete with you on which studies on which lifestyles are the most.
As I said... I won't get into that. It might turn into a real bashing.
Apparently you are also misled into believing that saying one is Christian means they are Christian.
Whatever the world chooses to call them, I don't know them as Christian, and I am not on that side of the fence.
What did Jesus say about his followers?
(John 17:16) . . .They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
What does that mean? Christians do not get involved in the political issues in this world.
Here is a good example, Jesus set for his followers...
(Matthew 22:15-22) 15 Then the Pharisees went and conspired together in order to trap him in his speech. 16 So they sent their disciples to him, together with party followers of Herod, saying: “Teacher, we know you are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and you do not seek anyone’s favor, for you do not look at the outward appearance of people. 17 Tell us, then, what do you think? Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not?” 18 But Jesus, knowing their wickedness, said: “Why do you put me to the test, hypocrites? 19 Show me the tax coin.” They brought him a denarius. 20 He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” 21 They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” 22 When they heard that, they were amazed, and they left him and went away.
(See also John 18:36 ; James 4:4 ; James 1:27)
They wanted to get Jesus involved in the political issues and affairs of world, but Jesus did not get involved.
Christian - that is, followers of Jesus' teachings and his example follow his lead. They don't get involved, in what the secular authorities do, or don't do. This system is under the control of the wicked one. (John 12:31 ; 1 John 5:19)
Paul put it this way...
(1 Thessalonians 4:11, 12) 11 Make it your aim to live quietly and to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we instructed you, 12 so that you may walk decently in the eyes of people outside and not need anything.
We busy ourselves sharing the good news of God's kingdom with those who might listen.
Nope, as you certainly seem to care about what consenting adults do with each other in bed.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Good choice of the word... Seem.
Like I said... It's an erroneous interpretation.
It not facts.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Open wide.
Conversion Therapy and LGBT Youth - Williams Institute
ACP Journals
Ethical issues related to conversion or reparative therapy
2012 - Position Statement on Attempts to Change Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity, or Gender Expression | APsaA
Resolution on Appropriate Affirmative Responses to Sexual Orientation Distress and Change Efforts
PAHO/WHO |
About Conversion Therapy – The Trevor Project
www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/just-the-facts.pdf
The cruel, dangerous reality of gay conversion therapy
Why Gay Conversion Therapy Is Harmful | Live Science
APA Reiterates Strong Opposition to Conversion Therapy
Jesus told you to judge not, and even Paul said it's not your place. It's a cheap logical fallacy and cop out as well. They say you are no true Christian and it is you who have been mislead.
nPeace
Veteran Member
What did you mean by this?
I wouldn't say it's a lifestyle. But this is a good example. Pedophiles means someone who is attracted to children. Child molesters and abusers are those who are sexually intimate with children. The two are different. One is an attraction. The other is an action. The latter has nothing to do with attraction.
Are you now asking based on bias due to peer pressure?
What's the connection between the two? What? The actions of the homosexual and the pedophile, or the the attraction of the homosexual and the pedophile?
According to the Bible, both of the former are sexual sins.
Both of the latter are not encourage, and the Bible says we can have our minds made over, or be transformed.
(Ephesians 4:20-24) 20 But you did not learn the Christ to be like this, 21 if, indeed, you heard him and were taught by means of him, just as truth is in Jesus. 22 You were taught to put away the old personality that conforms to your former course of conduct and that is being corrupted according to its deceptive desires. 23 And you should continue to be made new in your dominant mental attitude, 24 and should put on the new personality that was created according to God’s will in true righteousness and loyalty.
(Colossians 3:5-10) 5 Deaden, therefore, your body members that are on the earth as respects sexual immorality, uncleanness, uncontrolled sexual passion, hurtful desire, and greediness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of those things the wrath of God is coming. 7 That is how you too used to conduct yourselves in your former way of life. 8 But now you must put them all away from you: wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices, 10 and clothe yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it,
Remember, this all started with the bashing argument.
I wanted to understand what the OP meant by bashing, so I brought up the child abuser to help me get that perspective.
Is it bashing to call anyone perverted? in other words.
You are witness to this. Instead of getting an answer, accusations of comparing homosexuality to child molestation started flying. What?
The person I addressed the question to, even said that I was comparing the two, and hence bashing gays... instead of answering the question.
As you are witness, the question was never answered.
Since everyone is on this comparison thing it must be interesting so hey, why not join in. Let's dig to the finish then.
Is it okay to bash pedophiles?
Actually Artist. I don't want to put you on the spot. So this is not for you.
You understand where I am at though. I hope. No one evidently wants to answer that. Why?
Because they are all guilty of bashing them.
I get this.
Actually, humility is what matters.
Take for example, a person that was abused as a child, and developed a hatred for all men, and a strong phobia against any man touching them.
They would still be able to serve God, since they are willing to submit to the teachings of God's word, to the best of their ability... even if they get reoccurring thoughts of castrating any male that touches them.
Or an alcoholic, who crave drinks, but restrains from drinking.
Some homosexuals who converted may have struggled with certain desires, but over time, their minds were made over.
Concerning such persons, we read... (1 Corinthians 6:11) . . .And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. . .
It's all about how humble you are.
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nPeace
Veteran Member
Mmmmph. Mnnh mnk miht muh muff.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
You say that, and yet while I cried and pleaded for this "mind made over and transformed" it never happened. It never came. I put "me" away to do that "god's will" thing. That brought such terrible suffering and anguish that I wanted to die. And the torments and anguish didn't begin coming to and end until after I left Christianity. And it was such a tremendous burden off of my life that unlike many former Christians I have never looked back, never doubted, and have never experienced anxiety or depression over leaving it. I went from True Believer to anti-Christ, and from being self-destructive and empty shell to taking better care of myself and wanting to live and doing things and improving my life. I did all that because I evicted the holy ghost from my heart, plucked myself from Jesus' flock, and screamed "raca" at Jehovah.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And I have more. And because I am the enemy of your god I never get tired of pointing out how flawed and destructive the things those acting in his name promote (things I used to formerly promote).Mmmmph. Mnnh mnk miht muh muff.
Father Heathen
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Child abusers victimize the innocent and deserve condemnation for it, so your comparison is completely idiotic.
Btw, there are far more child abusers among the religious than among the LGBT community.
Father Heathen
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Again you use examples where innocent people are victimzed, which is what makes them bad. Love between consenting adults does not victimize the innocent. People are only bothered by it due to ancient, primitive superstitions that are insubstantiated, arbitrary, and irrational.
Father Heathen
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Threads like this are why RF needs you.
We're an education forum, and we need to help ignorant imbeciles come to reason.