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Who are the "other" sheep ?

Neuropteron

Active Member
Who are the "other" sheep ? John 10:16


Hi,

My premise is:
The Bible makes a distinction between two groups of faithful.
One of them is designated among other appellation as sheep.
The others are called "other sheep".
One group is small, and will rule with Christ in heaven.
The other group is without number and will live on a paradise earth.

Please feel free to comment.
What follows is my reasons for believing this premise.

*************************
The New Testament addresses Christ disciples as "sheep". In Mt 28:32 these sheep are contrasted with the goats.
Is it possible to identify exactly who the analogy of "sheep" and "other sheep" is referring to ?

For starter I will assume that we can use some of the traits of an actual sheep such as docility, willingness to follow and to forego independent decisions [independence from God].

Apart from sheep there are other designations that applies to them. Importantly they have one thing in common, and that is unity with Christ. Some examples are:
Branches (John 15:5)
Holy ones (1Cor 14:33)
Congregation/Holy assembly (1Cor 15:28)
Body of Christ (Eph 4:12)
Heirs Eph (1:11)
Brothers of Christ (Mt 25)
New Creation (mentioned twice.2 Cor5:17 and Ga 6:15)
Little flock (Luk 12:42)
The context strongly implies that they refer to the same group/class disciples of Christ.

If we can accept that fact, can we then conclude that "the other sheep" are a different group of followers of Christ ?

I submit this for consideration:
Although Jesus says that they are of the same flock, "other" means they cannot be the same, additionally they are of a different fold.

Another indication is Mt 25
Three groups are mentioned in that chapter, 1) Jesus's brothers, 2) the righteous sheep, 3) the goats.
The first group are Jesus's brothers
The second group offer hospitality,are to be blessed, gain everlasting life and are designated as "blessed sheep".
The third group are called goats and are "lopped/cut off (from life).

Do you think that the "blessed sheep" of Mt 25 are the same as the"other sheep" ?
Otherwise, who else could they be ?

Yet another consideration is Rev 7:...
Two groups are mentioned in that chapter
First a specific number that would be sealed.
Second a great crowd that come out of the great tribulation.
Since the sheep class mentioned are a "little flock" they must be the same as the first group(to be sealed)
No indication to size is given for either "other sheep" or the "Great Crowd" All things considered does it not follow that they could be the same ?

On the other hand, according to Rev 5:10 some would be made Kings and Priests to rule over the earth, could they be the same as the little flock (Luk 12:42) ?
Is it possible that the other sheep are the ones that will inherit the earth ?

The foregoing would support the declaration that the Kingdom of God would rid mankind of all it's problems and fulfill the promise that "the meek will inherit the earth and find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace".
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Seems to be a reference to the Gentiles, who would be made "one flock" with the Jews following Jesus' resurrection. This is one of the central themes of the early Christian message.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Who are the "other" sheep ? John 10:16


Hi,

My premise is:
The Bible makes a distinction between two groups of faithful.
One of them is designated among other appellation as sheep.
The others are called "other sheep".
One group is small, and will rule with Christ in heaven.
The other group is without number and will live on a paradise earth.

Please feel free to comment.
What follows is my reasons for believing this premise.

*************************
The New Testament addresses Christ disciples as "sheep". In Mt 28:32 these sheep are contrasted with the goats.
Is it possible to identify exactly who the analogy of "sheep" and "other sheep" is referring to ?

For starter I will assume that we can use some of the traits of an actual sheep such as docility, willingness to follow and to forego independent decisions [independence from God].

Apart from sheep there are other designations that applies to them. Importantly they have one thing in common, and that is unity with Christ. Some examples are:
Branches (John 15:5)
Holy ones (1Cor 14:33)
Congregation/Holy assembly (1Cor 15:28)
Body of Christ (Eph 4:12)
Heirs Eph (1:11)
Brothers of Christ (Mt 25)
New Creation (mentioned twice.2 Cor5:17 and Ga 6:15)
Little flock (Luk 12:42)
The context strongly implies that they refer to the same group/class disciples of Christ.

If we can accept that fact, can we then conclude that "the other sheep" are a different group of followers of Christ ?

I submit this for consideration:
Although Jesus says that they are of the same flock, "other" means they cannot be the same, additionally they are of a different fold.

Another indication is Mt 25
Three groups are mentioned in that chapter, 1) Jesus's brothers, 2) the righteous sheep, 3) the goats.
The first group are Jesus's brothers
The second group offer hospitality,are to be blessed, gain everlasting life and are designated as "blessed sheep".
The third group are called goats and are "lopped/cut off (from life).

Do you think that the "blessed sheep" of Mt 25 are the same as the"other sheep" ?
Otherwise, who else could they be ?

Yet another consideration is Rev 7:...
Two groups are mentioned in that chapter
First a specific number that would be sealed.
Second a great crowd that come out of the great tribulation.
Since the sheep class mentioned are a "little flock" they must be the same as the first group(to be sealed)
No indication to size is given for either "other sheep" or the "Great Crowd" All things considered does it not follow that they could be the same ?

On the other hand, according to Rev 5:10 some would be made Kings and Priests to rule over the earth, could they be the same as the little flock (Luk 12:42) ?
Is it possible that the other sheep are the ones that will inherit the earth ?

The foregoing would support the declaration that the Kingdom of God would rid mankind of all it's problems and fulfill the promise that "the meek will inherit the earth and find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace".



luke 9:50

mark 9:38-41
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Who are the "other" sheep ? John 10:16


Hi,

My premise is:
The Bible makes a distinction between two groups of faithful.
One of them is designated among other appellation as sheep.
The others are called "other sheep".
One group is small, and will rule with Christ in heaven.
The other group is without number and will live on a paradise earth.

Please feel free to comment.
What follows is my reasons for believing this premise.

*************************
The New Testament addresses Christ disciples as "sheep". In Mt 28:32 these sheep are contrasted with the goats.
Is it possible to identify exactly who the analogy of "sheep" and "other sheep" is referring to ?

For starter I will assume that we can use some of the traits of an actual sheep such as docility, willingness to follow and to forego independent decisions [independence from God].

Apart from sheep there are other designations that applies to them. Importantly they have one thing in common, and that is unity with Christ. Some examples are:
Branches (John 15:5)
Holy ones (1Cor 14:33)
Congregation/Holy assembly (1Cor 15:28)
Body of Christ (Eph 4:12)
Heirs Eph (1:11)
Brothers of Christ (Mt 25)
New Creation (mentioned twice.2 Cor5:17 and Ga 6:15)
Little flock (Luk 12:42)
The context strongly implies that they refer to the same group/class disciples of Christ.

If we can accept that fact, can we then conclude that "the other sheep" are a different group of followers of Christ ?

I submit this for consideration:
Although Jesus says that they are of the same flock, "other" means they cannot be the same, additionally they are of a different fold.

Another indication is Mt 25
Three groups are mentioned in that chapter, 1) Jesus's brothers, 2) the righteous sheep, 3) the goats.
The first group are Jesus's brothers
The second group offer hospitality,are to be blessed, gain everlasting life and are designated as "blessed sheep".
The third group are called goats and are "lopped/cut off (from life).

Do you think that the "blessed sheep" of Mt 25 are the same as the"other sheep" ?
Otherwise, who else could they be ?

Yet another consideration is Rev 7:...
Two groups are mentioned in that chapter
First a specific number that would be sealed.
Second a great crowd that come out of the great tribulation.
Since the sheep class mentioned are a "little flock" they must be the same as the first group(to be sealed)
No indication to size is given for either "other sheep" or the "Great Crowd" All things considered does it not follow that they could be the same ?

On the other hand, according to Rev 5:10 some would be made Kings and Priests to rule over the earth, could they be the same as the little flock (Luk 12:42) ?
Is it possible that the other sheep are the ones that will inherit the earth ?

The foregoing would support the declaration that the Kingdom of God would rid mankind of all it's problems and fulfill the promise that "the meek will inherit the earth and find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace".
" Who are the "other" sheep."

In Jesus' time, there were only two/some Judaism tribes in the Judea. The rest ten of them (the lost tribes of Israel) were in exile in the East, I understand.
Jesus knew that he will survive death on the Cross so he had plans, as I understand, to visit them to complete his mission of reforming the Judaism people.
They were the other sheep Jesus meant, I envision. Right, please?

Regards
_______________
[23:51]
وَ جَعَلۡنَا ابۡنَ مَرۡیَمَ وَ اُمَّہٗۤ اٰیَۃً وَّ اٰوَیۡنٰہُمَاۤ اِلٰی رَبۡوَۃٍ ذَاتِ قَرَارٍ وَّ مَعِیۡنٍ ﴿٪۵۱﴾
And We made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them refuge on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 23: Al-Mu'minun
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Matthew 15:24 ...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus Christ is the speaker in each of these verses, and I believe He is speak of His own personal mission, as opposed to the mandate He would leave with His Apostles to "teach all nations." He was speaking (in John 10) to those within the house of Israel and "this fold" is specifically the fold to which they belonged -- in other words, Israel and not the Gentiles. He said the "other sheep" would hear His voice, not just His message as relayed by His Apostles. That would imply that He would personally teach others within the house of Israel who were not living in the Holy Land. Personally, I believe The Book of Mormon is an account of that prophesy coming to pass. Obviously, I don't expect any non-LDS posters to see it that way.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Who are the "other" sheep ? John 10:16
John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


If there was only going to be one fold, I believe it means everyone who was not in Jesus fold at the time He said that.

I believe Jesus was referring to the future when all if humanity will be united together in one common faith.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" Who are the "other" sheep."

In Jesus' time, there were only two/some Judaism tribes in the Judea. The rest ten of them (the lost tribes of Israel) were in exile in the East, I understand.
Jesus knew that he will survive death on the Cross so he had plans, as I understand, to visit them to complete his mission of reforming the Judaism people.
They were the other sheep Jesus meant, I envision. Right, please?
_______________
[23:51]
وَ جَعَلۡنَا ابۡنَ مَرۡیَمَ وَ اُمَّہٗۤ اٰیَۃً وَّ اٰوَیۡنٰہُمَاۤ اِلٰی رَبۡوَۃٍ ذَاتِ قَرَارٍ وَّ مَعِیۡنٍ ﴿٪۵۱﴾
And We made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them refuge on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 23: Al-Mu'minun

I envision the following verses of NT support my understanding. Right, please?:

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Matthew 15:24 ...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Regards
______________
One may like to read the following By Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Jesus-in-India.pdf
 
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MNoBody

Well-Known Member
as far as aphorisms go, it is a decently denigrating depiction [people as brainless barnyard critters]o_O
 
Who are the "other" sheep ? John 10:16


Hi,

My premise is:
The Bible makes a distinction between two groups of faithful.
One of them is designated among other appellation as sheep.
The others are called "other sheep".
One group is small, and will rule with Christ in heaven.
The other group is without number and will live on a paradise earth.

Please feel free to comment.
What follows is my reasons for believing this premise.

*************************
The New Testament addresses Christ disciples as "sheep". In Mt 28:32 these sheep are contrasted with the goats.
Is it possible to identify exactly who the analogy of "sheep" and "other sheep" is referring to ?

For starter I will assume that we can use some of the traits of an actual sheep such as docility, willingness to follow and to forego independent decisions [independence from God].

Apart from sheep there are other designations that applies to them. Importantly they have one thing in common, and that is unity with Christ. Some examples are:
Branches (John 15:5)
Holy ones (1Cor 14:33)
Congregation/Holy assembly (1Cor 15:28)
Body of Christ (Eph 4:12)
Heirs Eph (1:11)
Brothers of Christ (Mt 25)
New Creation (mentioned twice.2 Cor5:17 and Ga 6:15)
Little flock (Luk 12:42)
The context strongly implies that they refer to the same group/class disciples of Christ.

If we can accept that fact, can we then conclude that "the other sheep" are a different group of followers of Christ ?

I submit this for consideration:
Although Jesus says that they are of the same flock, "other" means they cannot be the same, additionally they are of a different fold.

Another indication is Mt 25
Three groups are mentioned in that chapter, 1) Jesus's brothers, 2) the righteous sheep, 3) the goats.
The first group are Jesus's brothers
The second group offer hospitality,are to be blessed, gain everlasting life and are designated as "blessed sheep".
The third group are called goats and are "lopped/cut off (from life).

Do you think that the "blessed sheep" of Mt 25 are the same as the"other sheep" ?
Otherwise, who else could they be ?

Yet another consideration is Rev 7:...
Two groups are mentioned in that chapter
First a specific number that would be sealed.
Second a great crowd that come out of the great tribulation.
Since the sheep class mentioned are a "little flock" they must be the same as the first group(to be sealed)
No indication to size is given for either "other sheep" or the "Great Crowd" All things considered does it not follow that they could be the same ?


Revelation chapter 7 also mentions two groups. First the 144,000 “sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” (Revelation 7:4) Comparing Revelation 14:1-5 shows that the 144,000 are “bought from the earth,” to become “firstfruits to God.” (See Luke 12:32; John 14:2-4) These, therefore, are the ones who will reign in heaven with Christ. (Galatians 6:16; 2 Timothy 4:18) The second group is “…a great crowd, which no man was able to number…,” who “…come out of the great tribulation….”-Revelation 7;9, 14.



On the other hand, according to Rev 5:10 some would be made Kings and Priests to rule over the earth, could they be the same as the little flock (Luk 12:42) ?
Is it possible that the other sheep are the ones that will inherit the earth ?

The foregoing would support the declaration that the Kingdom of God would rid mankind of all it's problems and fulfill the promise that "the meek will inherit the earth and find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace".
 
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