YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Let's say what you say is true. (Jew hating Jew.) Jesus did say we must love one another. What does that mean to you about love? How to express love for one another among all?
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
As some say. Keep waiting. So you think that type of love relates only to Jews? And then when all Jews "love one another," the Messiah will come?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Well, for instance, some believe (like Timothy leHaye) that Jesus would snatch people from the earth while the unsaved are left behind. So God allows people to have opinions but, just as many worshipped idols, He expressed His disapproval in the past, and will so in the future.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
That's very odd for you to say. The return of Jesus is creedal. But whatever, I'll let you argue that with fellow Christians.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Well the Messiah concerns Jews, as does the temple. So just as when we hated each other without reason the temple was destroyed, when we learn to love without reason, the temple will be rebuilt and the messiah will return. I don't think that's hard to understand.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Well, according to the story, Pilate wanted to let Jesus go. That's only if you trust the story, which I don't. But either way, Pilate was the man in charge. He certainly had the power to release if he had really wanted to. And the responsibility for the execution rests squarely on his shoulders. He was used to making decisions that didn't go along with the majority of people in Jerusalem, so the idea that it was majority rule is a crock.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I don't need to argue it but I can explain what his return is. Some Jews don't believe the temple would be rebuilt by men on earth. Some believed that Mendel Schneerson was the Messiah. Maybe still on the lookout for his resurrection. Others believe that they should not eat pork. Furthermore, you misunderstood what I said. I didn't say he would not or did not return. But you essentially said you're really not interested in learning why I believe, so no use explaining.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So it's been over 2000 years now.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
So? It's also been 2000 years and Jesus hasn't returned. doesn't seem to bother you.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
His return would not be visible to everyone. As an example, not everyone 'saw' that Moses was the one that God was using. And by that I mean not all the Israelites.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
In the Jewish view, the Messiah is going to be recognized by absolutely everyone. There will be no doubt.
I thought the same was true of the Christian idea of the second coming, but I guess not.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah. Men would be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, and then...it would be over. That's part of the messianic message. Do you believe everyone will be saved? And by saved I mean preserved alive. When the rains came the people likely figured something not so good was happening to them. But Noah followed God's directions and he and his family were kept alive through the flood. The Bible says every eye would see him. But how, and what would it mean? Jesus foretold that. In reference to that, here is what was said
"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. (Matthew 24).
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I don't even know how to respond. Again, the New Testament is not my scriptures. Christian eschatology is not Jewish eschatology. Jews in general don't spend a lot of time thinking about the end times or the messiah. We are about obeying God.
Judaism does teach the world to come. The truly wicked will not be there -- their souls will be destroyed. The rest of us spend time in gehenna to be purified for the resurrection. Gehenna is hell, a temporary hell. It's honestly not something I think a lot about. I don't obey God in order to enter the world to come. I obey God because he is God and deserving to be obeyed.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not know where the topic stands now. Topics many a times meander far from the OP. But I would like to make it clear that by joining an army or even by being citizen of a country, you have taken on a duty to do what the government of that country wants you to do. To make it very clear, it will be the duty of a Hindu soldier in Pakistan army (if there is one) to try to kill any soldier of Indian army in case of a war, irrespective of whether the soldier is a Hindu or of any other faith.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I think that will be a better scenario then destroying all people on earth. Jesus can snatch the people he loves and take them to his kingdom, while the rest carry on in their despicable ways (worshiping idols, etc.) on this planet. That will also reduce the pressure of population on earth.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Hello again, indigo child, do you believe the account of Noah and the flood?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The Bible does not say all people on earth will be destroyed.
Jesus had complete confidence in Jehovah’s purpose for this earth, which was the earthly Paradise to come. As he taught his disciples to pray, "Let your kingdom come, let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Also, Psalm 1 declares:
"The wicked are not like that;
They are like the chaff that the wind blows away.
That is why the wicked will not remain standing in the judgment;
Nor will sinners remain standing in the assembly of the righteous.
For Jehovah is aware of the way of the righteous,
But the way of the wicked will perish."
How do you feel about that?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Perfectly nice. Once I die, my atoms will go to millions of living and non-living things. Possible that two of my atoms will reach Alaska or Timbuktu. I am from 'all-pervading', I will become 'all-pervading' - 'omni-present', as you may term it. That is how it is. Nothing to complain about. That is what I feel about it. When a drop of water falls and mixes in the water of the ocean, can you be sure which part of ocean will it not reach? It can go anywhere and everywhere. I am That.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
When we die, the Bible says that we return to dust. So in that respect, you àre right. But I have come to understand much better the Bible since I began studying it with Jehovah's witnesses, which tells us that God is the Creator of life. Few really want to die. In fact the Bible calls death an enemy. And if you have a Bible, you can an look up Revelation 21:1-5 which tells us that God will do away with all causes of suffering and change this earth to a wonderful place. You can find a good translation of the Bible at www.jw.org.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I doubt drops of water think though.