Which is totes possible.
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Socialism -- a pathway to disaster
- Thread starter Kenny
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Which is totes possible.
For me it's not about right vs wrong.
Health care will evolve towards being largely free to the customer
(setting aside paying for it with taxes.)
It's inevitable.
My only hope is that private care will still be available too as a Plan B.
"Totes"?
I agree that the rampant cost of drugs in the US market is a huge issue.
But you're already paying way, way, way more than other countries, so it's worth noting that socialised elements within healthcare doesn't need to increase cost. It's a different way of spending the money.
Abs totes
Generally any Australians you talk to would assume a private element would be available, since it works that way here. It's our 'normal'.
And some of the public services are provided by private hospitals. So a private hospital can be providing care to private patients (usually holding private health insurance) and public patients via Medicare.
I think we have to deal with the cost first. IMO you can't simply set up a single-payer system and hope for the best.
We're at risk of something more federalized.
When Hillary had the job of pushing public health care
for Bill (the Prez), her version made private care illegal.
Fortunately, there was some big distraction about a blue
dress during his reign, so health care was shelved.
Nah...I've seen American reality tv. I assume you all talk like that, so I was trying to be nice, and speak in your language.
Cray Cray, right?
No you definitely can't hope for the best, I agree.
I think you 'simply' design an overhaul of the entire system at a macro level, and then implement the component parts at a detailed level based in the overarching roadmap, which should include stakeholder and dependency considerations both legal and technical.
Simples.
I'm utterly lost.
I suppose you must be one of those Americans who speaks English then.
I shall endeavour to comport myself accordingly in the future, good sir.
Guh...buh....
Ours is. But it’s mostly a racket. You can “skip the queue” on private and use it for elective procedures. Which is fine. But sometimes you have to be specific with your plans, lest you pay fees for physical therapy without needing it.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
The democratically elected socialist government of Salvador Allende was overthrown with US assistance. Are you blind to that? Or do you consider such interference acceptable? Would it be acceptable for the US government to be overthrown in a foreign supported coup d'état? Or is it only acceptable when it's the US doing the interfering?
How did you go from point 'a' to point 'b'? What does this have anything to do with what we are talking about? You have lost me here.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Your OP cites your experience in South America as the basis to argue that socialism leads to "disaster." This seems to me to be sadly ironic, given that America's ideology (capitalism) has been the cause of so much "disaster" globally (including in South America) through its regime change interventions, carried out to implement or protect this ideology over many years. I cited Allende as simply one (well known) example of this.
i think we are mixing two things that aren't congruent.
Capitalism hasn't been the disaster globally, it has been a help globally. American intervention has been both bad and good. Imagine what would have happened if America hadn't intervened in WWI. Governments with a socialist agenda have also intervened in other countries too.
My position on socialism still stands.
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Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Mine also. I consider capitalism to be a global disaster, historically for the working class and going forward, for the biosphere. We shall have to agree to differ.