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Here we are 1984, in 2020

InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Shadow Wolf said:
I'm Far Left, and legions of RW Conservatives are way more PC than I am. Except they don't use those terms, they use religious terms such as "teaches witchcraft" to try to get Harry Potter banned.

So, since the Left is a monolithic group, can I call you extremely intolerant and hateful given the Nazis are RW?
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Shadow Wolf said:
I'm Far Left, and legions of RW Conservatives are way more PC than I am. Except they don't use those terms, they use religious terms such as "teaches witchcraft" to try to get Harry Potter banned.

So, since the Left is a monolithic group, can I call you extremely intolerant and hateful given the Nazis are RW?
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I have a good friend who was involved in Wicca for years before being saved by Jesus. She purposely read the Harry Potter books to see if the claim by so many Christians was true that they “ taught witchcraft “. She said they definitely did.

But I never heard of any political attempt to get Harry Potter banned. Many churches or Christian schools may have wanted it banned in their facilities, but was there a Republican or conservative bill in the legislature somewhere to ban it? I wasn’t aware of that, if so. There would be a big difference between government passing a law about a book or a private institution doing so.

I do realize the left as well as the right are large groups with plenty of diverse views. That is the problem with group generalizations... I have to remember.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
InChrist said:
I have a good friend who was involved in Wicca for years before being saved by Jesus. She purposely read the Harry Potter books to see if the claim by so many Christians was true that they “ taught witchcraft “. She said they definitely did.
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She definitely lied. It is 100% impossible to learn witchcraft reading them. It's a child's fantasy book, nothing more.
What sort of PC things have actually been imposed on a legislative level?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Shadow Wolf said:
She definitely lied. It is 100% impossible to learn witchcraft reading them. It's a child's fantasy book, nothing more.
What sort of PC things have actually been imposed on a legislative level?
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She did not lie. Actual spells are incorporated into the storyline.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
InChrist said:
She did not lie. Actual spells are incorporated into the storyline.
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No, they aren't, and I rest my case you can't find any to cite here. There are no real spells. They have some weird "Latiny" words and the same kind of magic found in Fantasia and Sword in the Stone. I haven't read Harry Potter but almost all my nieces and nephews have. There is no witchcraft.
 
JustGeorge

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
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Most spells aren't as complex or as dramatic, typically as what a person sees in Harry Potter.

If they were, your average Wiccan would be filthy rich, for being able to put together those kind of scenes and effects at will...
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
JustGeorge said:
Most spells aren't as complex or as dramatic, typically as what a person sees in Harry Potter.

If they were, your average Wiccan would be filthy rich, for being able to put together those kind of scenes and effects at will...
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I'm sure we'd have many stories of children turning their teachers into frogs. Causing issues with levitating things. Or whatever else is in them. My oldest niece and nephew would have lunched nuclear-scale war of magic against each other.
The silence of the evidence to support these books teaching real spells is deafening.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Shadow Wolf said:
No, they aren't, and I rest my case you can't find any to cite here. There are no real spells. They have some weird "Latiny" words and the same kind of magic found in Fantasia and Sword in the Stone. I haven't read Harry Potter but almost all my nieces and nephews have. There is no witchcraft.
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Here is a definition of witchcraft:
Definition of WITCHCRAFT


And here are the ”Latiny” words you refer to in the book:
The real scientific meaning behind 13 'Harry Potter' spells

It really doesn’t matter what the words are, if one thinks they can manipulate natural reality or influence the world around them by saying certain words, incantations, or performing various rituals...that’s witchcraft. So it can be legitimately stated that the Harry Potter books teach or inspire readers to become interested in witchcraft and casting spells, which they do and did especially when they first came out and were so popular.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
JustGeorge said:
Of all things...

There is an abundance of things to pick at society's leanings towards 1984, and this article picks masks and protests? I don't recall protests or PPE being a large part of 1984(honestly, I don't recall it being in there at all, but its been a year or two since last reading).

No comparisons of the telescreens and smartphones? No talk of getting the public enthused over Eurasia and Eastasia, and us always having been at war with them? What about correcting people's thoughts and memories...

Well, now I am an easy going person, but I have to say I am bitterly disappointed by this misleading post title!
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How about the “ Ministry of truth” and the way information was censored? Kind of like what’s happening right not with the mainstream media using their platform to control what the public hears and even believes by manipulating the news being reported, outright lies, or not reporting at all...

 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
InChrist said:
Here is a definition of witchcraft:
Definition of WITCHCRAFT


And here are the ”Latiny” words you refer to in the book:
The real scientific meaning behind 13 'Harry Potter' spells

It really doesn’t matter what the words are, if one thinks they can manipulate natural reality or influence the world around them by saying certain words, incantations, or performing various rituals...that’s witchcraft. So it can be legitimately stated that the Harry Potter books teach or inspire readers to become interested in witchcraft and casting spells, which they do and did especially when they first came out and were so popular.
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You cited not one legit spell in Harry Potter than can be taught or used. You posted what the definition of witchcraft and a link explaining those Latiny words.
All you did was further demonstrate my point. Harry Potter does not teach magic.
 
JustGeorge

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
InChrist said:
How about the “ Ministry of truth” and the way information was censored? Kind of like what’s happening right not with the mainstream media using their platform to control what the public hears and even believes by manipulating the news being reported, outright lies, or not reporting at all...

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That's a fair and valid point. I think its deeper than just mainstream media, though. I think the personal filtering of information most people do on social media platforms is probably more harmful. I do think the influence government places on what can and does go out into the news is less influential than us self censoring, however, at least in the US. Not so everywhere, of course.

What gets me with 1984, is much of what is forced by government in the book, is self imposed in 2020! We all run around with telescreen in pocket, reading our stories we've decided fits our truth, such creating our own "Ministry of Truth". The government never did it to us so much, we chose it for ourselves. We have all chosen Big Brother, we just choose what face he wears.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
JustGeorge said:
That's a fair and valid point. I think its deeper than just mainstream media, though. I think the personal filtering of information most people do on social media platforms is probably more harmful. I do think the influence government places on what can and does go out into the news is less influential than us self censoring, however, at least in the US. Not so everywhere, of course.

What gets me with 1984, is much of what is forced by government in the book, is self imposed in 2020! We all run around with telescreen in pocket, reading our stories we've decided fits our truth, such creating our own "Ministry of Truth". The government never did it to us so much, we chose it for ourselves. We have all chosen Big Brother, we just choose what face he wears.
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Yes, something we should all pause to think about.
 
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