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The Limits of Religious Freedom?

1213

Well-Known Member
...They are human beings, not your property.

I agree, they are not anyone’s property, not even governments, even though socialists seem to think children are their property.

Some may think giving vaccines is worse than hitting your child. Should they have right to take the child from parents that give vaccines?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
If you saw a parent hitting their child do call the police? There are acceptable levels of behavior, and just because it is your kid that doesn't mean you should have the right to recklessly endanger their life. They are human beings, not your property.
Yep, and some should tell the Trump supporters that because he had Hispanic children put into cages to "send a message", which is that which some other tyrants have historically done. I studied the Holocaust in Poland and Israel for several weeks back in 1991, and the fascists did exactly the same kind of things-- and even more.

[just for some here-- no, the Obama administration did not do that based on any political agenda, contrary to what the talking heads on Fox may say.]
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Would you allow me to decide what is good for your child? If not, why do you think someone else should allow you to decide about his child?

I think people should be allowed to live their own life as they want and parents should be the ones who are responsible of their kids and decide for them.

To a point that's ok.

But when it goes into "child endangerment", or outright physical abuse, then for the safety of the child the authorities should step in to protect the child.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...But when it goes into "child endangerment", or outright physical abuse, then for the safety of the child the authorities should step in to protect the child.

Perhaps, I think it can be a problem what is really “endangerment". Also, it probably would be better, if the neighbors would help. Authorities are more probably evil.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Perhaps, I think it can be a problem what is really “endangerment". Also, it probably would be better, if the neighbors would help. Authorities are more probably evil.

There is no perfect solution to unfit parents being overly abusive. But it would be better for the authorities to intervene, even if it's rough for the child to handle, then having them be dead.

I grew up in the 1050s where extreme abuse was common, and back then it was easy for parents to falsely claim their child had run off, ran behind the car and got run over, fell down the stairs and died, etc, and the cops just took their word for it, and that was that.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
Coming from an American society and looking at it in today's perspective, I think that government laws regarding religion should be left alone as is neither removing nor adding laws about religion. Freedom of religion had been established, no further adjustments are needed. Religious freedom is no longer needed. What's more important and need more attention now is freedom of speech. I believe this is the most important and should be the only thing we should be concentrating on, in regards to freedom. A lot people don't realize it, but these days, this is the most unbiased form of freedom and also the one that effect Americans the most. Any laws added here covers all groups while not favoring one over the other. This freedom right shouldn't be taken away or have further restrictions added on. I see that these days, this freedom is the one being threatened the most.

What I noticed about lot of people from different groups is that they are too quick to cry about their rights be taken away and/or having less freedom nowadays. Many times, it's people argue about wanting more freedom for their group,.
when

When people demand more freedom and receive it, majority of the time, unbeknownst to them, freedom is being tak away from another group.
 
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night912

Well-Known Member
You are free to hold your opinion about any religion, what i want an end to is ridicule of religious people or religion. Those comments that are ment to hurt others are not needed to say.
How I see it, you want to take freedom away from others so you gain more for yourself and/or the other way around, wanting more freedom for yourself and lake freedom away from others.

Nobody's freedom of speech should be restricted or taken away. And one of the biggest problem that I see is people are too quick and willing to take freedom away from others because they only see their own views. I understand that it's natural, but we should take s closer look at the situation before making hasty decisions. I think the best way in doing this is the simplest one, put yourself in their shoes.

You should try doing that everytime before you judge others.

what i want an end to is ridicule of religious people or religion. Those comments that are ment to hurt others are not needed to say.

So you're fine with taking away freedom rights of all Muslim's speech about Islam? Of course not all the rights will be taken away. They are free to say what they want, just not anything that have any connection to Islam. I'm not suggesting that all religious people and/or all comments on religion be taken away. That would be absurd. People should have the freedom to choose and talk about their religion as long as there's no mention of Islam.

Comments about Islam, are not needed to say. So, Amanaki, are you ok with this? It's the same thing that you are suggesting that should be done.
 
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