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I never said it was proven.
We have free will and we can question, but ultimately we believe that God knows more than we know, which means that Baha'ullah knows more than we know.
No, billions do not know that, you believe that, but you are just one man with a biased opinion.
That is a good question. I do not know a lot about what other Baha'is are doing because I am not involved in my Baha'i community.
As serious as someone who uses multiple exclamation marks (and ad homs) to emphasize how right he is.
A lot of the Bible is presented as being historical. When is it truly something that is historical and when is it myth? All the stories have something in them that sounds mythical/fictional. All of Genesis and on through the journey for 40 years in the wilderness. Then the battles to conquer the promised land... that's where the Sun is stopped in the sky. Stories about the prophets had Elijah call down fire from heaven and Jonah being swallowed by a big fish. Daniel had his friends being thrown into a furnace and not being burnt. But then, when we add in the NT. The gospels have a virgin birth and end with a resurrection and ascension. In between Jesus walks on water and brings Lazarus back to life. Some Baha'is have tried to put a "symbolic" spin on those things, but the gospels are written as if those things really happened. And one thing for sure, it was men, not God or his manifestation that wrote any of it... unless you believe Moses wrote the first five books.
So from God and a messenger or man-made myths and legends and traditions handed down orally? The 613 laws? From God dictated to Moses or written down way later by the Jewish religious leaders? If Trailblazer would read about some of those laws, I don't see how she could think that God actually came up with those.... especially the sacrificing of animals.
If that is God's ultimate plan to have people that will not question him, why didn't he do that in the first place?
Are the plans workable without a new race of men? Anything less then that will not obey the rules.
So now even the new race of men will question God but will concede that God knows best and not question?
Unless Bible scholars have researched a d determined that I do not think there is a way to know. I know it matters to you but I don't know why. It does not matter to me and you already know why. Besides the fact that I am a Baha'i so I have my own scriptures, it does not matter because it is in the distant past. What possible bearing could it have on the world today, or the future? Why do people keep discussing all the stories in the Bible as of they matter? (and I am not just referring to you.) I can understand why Jews and Christians discuss them, because these are their scriptures that they believe came from God.
He did.
I do not have the answers to any of those questions because the future is not here yet.
You are free to believe that if you want to, but it is just a personal opinion, not a fact.
That has nothing to do with the myths such as the resurrection story.
That is probably true, but that is not proof that I am deluding myself. You cannot know that, so it would just be a personal opinion. We all have those.
Just because the Holy Spirit has not been demonstrated that does not mean it does not exist. Spiritual things cannot be demonstrated because they are not material.
It is logical to say some things in the Bible are myths but not all things are myths.
You are sure, lol. Another personal opinion/argument from ignorance.
Can you prove God is fiction? If not, that is just a personal opinion and to assert it is an argument from ignorance.
Not everything in the Bible is myths.
It does demonstrate that to me and other Baha’is. It is all in one’s perspective. It cannot be expected that everyone will see it the same way because all humans are unique.
The evidence has been put forth but you do not consider it evidence. I have been going round this block with atheists 24/7 for seven years, so I know the drill. Why should I believe you are any different from the others?
That is another dogmatic personal opinion. You cannot speak for me and if you do that demonstrates arrogance. I know I have not been manipulated by anyone. I believe because of what I consider to be good evidence. It is bad to you but that does not make it bad because you do not determine what is bad for anyone except yourself.. Do you even understand what I am saying?
Prove what? I cannot prove that the Baha’i Faith is true to other people, but that does not mean it is not true, logically speaking. Besides, proof is not what makes anything true. Truth simply exists. Proof is just what people want in order to believe. It’s amazing how everyone misses that.
That’s right, I cannot talk you out of your beliefs and I cannot make you see what I see in the evidence. We are separate people with separate backgrounds and separate thought processes.
That is an expansive subject and one I have addressed over and over and over on this forum from many different angles.
The reason you cannot see what the Baha’i scripture is saying is because you cannot divest yourself is all your knowledge of the older religious scriptures. I see the same thing in other people on this forum. Those other religions put a veil over their eyes because they cannot separate the Baha’i Faith from those older religions. They see some similarities because of course there are similarities, since they all came from the same God, but they cannot see the differences or how the Baha’i Faith is related to those older religions.
Since you do not understand what Baha’u’llah meant by “Knowledge is the most grievous veil between man and his Creator” you jump to conclusions, which is a fallacy.
That is not what I meant by what I said. One should do the fullest investigation before they would be willing to believe in a religion.
If I hear the word evidence one more time I am going to lose my mind. Let’s start with the definitions of evidence:
I have posted what “I consider” to be evidence of Baha’u’llah’s station as a Messenger of God dozens of times on this forum. Not one person has ever accepted it as evidence so why should I keep posting it over and over and over again? Atheists always say “that’s not evidence.” I have heard that so many times it is coming out of my ears. Why would I think you would be any different?
Believe whatever you want to, if that is what the evidence indicates to you. I am not into “I am right and you are wrong.” Calling other wrong is insisting you are right is all about ego.
That is fine if you choose to believe that, but you are not going to convince me of that, so why keep discussing it after it has already been discussed? You cannot prove that there were never any Messengers if God and I cannot prove that there were, so it is just a matter of what we chose to believe.
As I said in the previous post, your knowledge of older scriptures and apparent inability to stop clinging to them places a veil over your eyes, and it is apparently irremovable. I was not raised in any religion and never had a religion other than Baha’i so I never had my vision obstructed by the Bible. I thank God for that.
But since I have the Baha’i Writings to straighten out the mess I know which tales and which are real so it is not a mess for me.
You know that? How do you know that, were you there?
Fine, if that is what you choose to believe. I certainly do not expect people to believe what I do.
Clearly, your knowledge makes it impossible to see because you believe you already know. I will leave you to this one last statement:
How it works is that Jesus knows something about God that you do not believe is true. Messengers such as Jesus get communication from God and that is the only way we can know anything about God. That's how God works.
You have no way of knowing God or what God's actions are.
I never said it was a proven fact, I only ever said that it is a belief.
How do you know I don't know? Do you know how God works? If you think you know how God works, please provide the verifiable evidence that demonstrates how you know, or admit that you don't know.
Can you prove that?
Yes.
Before I discuss this with you... what is Eart?
The Bible’s account of Noah’s Ark, describes Noah building a vessel w/ genuine ratios, a 3(H):5(W):30(L), ratio that modern-day shipbuilders within the last 2 centuries have utilized to construct a non-powered vessel of that size and maintain seaworthiness (stability)!
Are you now claiming the resurrection was myth but Jesus was an actual god-messenger?
Same with Mothman. Putting the word "holy" before "spirit" doesn't change the fact that you are saying spirits exist. But we have no evidence. No proof. We do however have excellent proof that people lie, tell tall tales, hallucinate, have vision or neurological issues, mental illness or write fiction with good intentions but it's still fiction.
Not when you base it on writings from a person in the 1800's who gives no demonstration he is getting messages from a God but relies on flowery space filling praise to make points all mystic teachers would say. Using that as a guide to what is myth is not logical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
No it isn't amazing. People understand ideas about humanism and equality and peace. Cool, all great.