Is anyone excited about a possible Biden Presidency?

Twilight Hue said:

Economy and jobs and foreign policies. No president of late has ever gotten the kind of results that benefit this country like Renegotiating NAFTA, getting the working class a permanent tax cut for example.

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But the facts tell a different story. Trump inherited 4% unemployment (which he called fake when he was a candidate) and it declined to 3 or 3.5% under Trump. Today it’s more than double what he inherited.

These are just facts.

And why? Because of COVID. His response to COVID has been horrible because he never truly accepted the reality of it or listened to experts - his narcissism is in the way.

The renegotiated NAFTA is not much different than the original.

Trump’s actual economic policies are cheap substitutes for the real thing ... just like everything about him, from his university to his spray tan.

Mr Spinkles said:

You must be referring to building the wall and making Mexico pay for it, bringing back the coal industry, replacing Obamacare, closing tax loopholes for rich guys like him and fixing our declining infrastructure.

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Don't forget the biggest accomplishment, moving the embassy to Jerusalem

Mr Spinkles said:

You must be referring to building the wall and making Mexico pay for it, bringing back the coal industry, replacing Obamacare, closing tax loopholes for rich guys like him and fixing our declining infrastructure.

Those were key promises he made in 2016 and I don’t think he accomplished any of those. He did separate thousands of children, sabotage our own elections and exacerbate the worst mass casualty event in American history ... no one could have accomplished that but him.

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You forgot ending the wars and bringing home the troops.

KAT-KAT said:

The way I see it is, Trump has screwed up a lot. Could Biden screw things up more? Yes he very well could. Is it likely he will? I don't think so. So I distrust Biden less until proven otherwise.

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The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump will do whatever he likes and Biden will listen to advice. So it is a bit the question who has his ear at the time but it is also so that there will be multiple people in the room and the opinions will level out. Biden is less likely to do something radical.

Heyo said:

The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump will do whatever he likes and Biden will listen to advice. So it is a bit the question who has his ear at the time but it is also so that there will be multiple people in the room and the opinions will level out. Biden is less likely to do something radical.

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Agreed. But the other very important difference is Biden will actually put America first. He might fail, he might make mistakes - like anyone. Trump puts himself first. I’ve been saying this for years ... and sadly I was right ... when the interests of Donald Trump and the country at large diverge, he will do what’s best for Donald Trump.

Now we are all paying the price.

Salty Booger said:

I thought the $48,000,000.00 Muller investigation proved it a big nothing burger...a waste of time?

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His campaign manager, National Security Advisor, longtime lawyer and “fixer”, deputy campaign manager, foreign policy advisor, plus longtime advisor Roger Stone, were charged. That’s not “nothing”.

It was determined the Trump campaign sought and welcomed assistance from a hostile foreign country, Russia, but there was not sufficient evidence to convict them of criminal conspiracy. That’s not “nothing”.

(Not quite enough to convict ... but absolutely enough to punish him and his party at the ballot box. Of course, the Trump Party refuses to hold the Chosen One accountable, even for behavior they know is wrong.)

It was found Donald Trump obstructed the investigation, but as a matter of policy the Justice Dept can not indict a sitting president. That’s not “nothing”.

Should Biden go meet Iranian intelligence, and encourage them to commit crimes against the United States to help him get dirt on Trump to help Biden’s campaign? Is that how we want our elections to work from now on? This is illegal. Many Trump associates were charged for the illegality.

What the Trump campaign did was disgusting and did not put “America First”. It put Trump first. As always.

The $48 million to investigate Russian interference in our elections did far more to protect our Republic than Trump’s absurd, $11 billion border wall. Three miles of border wall would cost more than the Mueller investigation and do far less to protect our democracy.

By the way, Trump still hasn’t learned his lesson. He’s still encouraging illegal foreign aid to his political campaign. Case in point: FEC chairwoman subtweets Trump over accepting foreign help in election

Trump is the most corrupt President in living memory, and he doesn’t even hide it very well. The Mueller investigation only caught a few of the crooks on the Trump campaign.

Salty Booger said:

I thought the $48,000,000.00 Muller investigation proved it a big nothing burger...a waste of time?

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By the way: you dodged the point I was making. You say “they’ve been gunning for Trump since day one”. But you ignore that Trump’s own actions have invited this since day one.

Trump literally gave a speech in which he said “Russia I hope you’re listening” and hours later Russia committed crimes against the United States to try to influence our elections. Then he fired the FBI Director to try to block the investigation, which necessitated appointing special counsel Mueller. Maybe if Trump changed his behavior he wouldn’t create opposition to reign him in? Literally, the appointment of Mueller was a direct consequence of Trump’s choices. Even toddlers know there are consequences.

Maybe conservatives need to remember that thing they used to believe in ... you know ... taking responsibility for ones own actions instead of blaming everyone around you?

You pretend like the opposition against Trump is because they don’t like his spray tan or something trivial.

Salty Booger said:

Hmm, here it is, term of endearment without examples of proof.

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To be clear, I wasn’t trying to persuade Trump Party supporters that he’s a fascist racist traitor. I was mentioning that while trying to persuade Biden supporters to rise to the occasion and get out the vote.

If you need evidence for something in particular, let me know and I can provide it.

Salty Booger said:

In contrast to those rioting and destroying their Liberal cities. I'm one who has been watching it happen in his own city. If anarchy isn't enough to turn you towards Trump, then certainly, vote for Biden.

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You seem to be confused - whatever anarchy you have experienced is occurring now, under Trump. Re-electing him won’t change anything. He’s really bad at addressing the concerns that caused the unrest to begin with - all he can do is brutally suppress free speech and take a photo holding a Bible, like he did at Lafayette Square. Biden was VP for eight years and I don’t remember “anarchy” then. Biden did not hesitate to condemn all violence including Antifa; Trump can barely summon the will to condemn white supremacists. Think that will end the unrest?

Salty Booger said:

He has had nearly 50 years of political career to tickle us with his magic. All we get is a sniff and a whisper in the ear.

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Better than being grabbed by the ****y. Biden is boring. We need boring right now. Before he was elected, Trump had no experience in anything except inheriting wealth and managing it poorly ... and that’s exactly what he did these past four years.

Salty Booger said:

You could put flashing lights on his walker, maybe spruce up his image a bit.

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I would be open to that if Trump would wear a Confederate flag lapel pin instead of the American one from now on. It would be fitting in so many ways.

Heyo said:

The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump will do whatever he likes and Biden will listen to advice. So it is a bit the question who has his ear at the time but it is also so that there will be multiple people in the room and the opinions will level out. Biden is less likely to do something radical.

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Biden like Obama, is going to be pushed around on the world stage. He will be a subservient president rather than a dominant one with our national interests in mind.

If Biden becomes president, I just hope he dosent sign onto deals the country will regret.

Heyo said:

You forgot ending the wars and bringing home the troops.

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Leaving the Mideast more dangerous by abandoning our allies is not anything to brag about.

Twilight Hue said:

Biden like Obama, is going to be pushed around on the world stage.

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So now Obama was being pushed around on the world stage? I think you're just repeating things you hear others mention. Most conservatives repeat the same line.

Twilight Hue said:

Biden like Obama, is going to be pushed around on the world stage. He will be a subservient president rather than a dominant one with our national interests in mind.

If Biden becomes president, I just hope he dosent sign onto deals the country will regret.

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You'll have to show how Obama was pushed around on the world stage. He, and the Republican Congress, put strong sanctions on the Russians for violating federal law. Trump had Flynn meet with the Russians to tell them to ignore the sanctions.

Signing on to the Iran nuke deal was not something the country regretted. Only the right-wing conservatives regretted it.


Signing on to the Paris Accord was not something the country regretted. Only the climate change deniers regretted it.


I could go on...

Salty Booger said:

He certainly has lost his fizz.

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Out of curiousity, do you actually watch him or listen to him, or are you just parroting Trump's "sleepy Joe" meme?

I ask that, by the way, as a foreigner who is watching just about all the stump speeches by both men, even though I admit not wanting to hear another word out of Trump. But at the very least -- I am listening, and judging based on what I have heard directly from them, rather than what I've been told I'm supposed to think by others.

Twilight Hue said:

Biden like Obama, is going to be pushed around on the world stage. He will be a subservient president rather than a dominant one with our national interests in mind.

If Biden becomes president, I just hope he dosent sign onto deals the country will regret.

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Who would want to make deals with the US after Trump showed that any deal is only valid 'till the end of term of a president?

Evangelicalhumanist said:

Out of curiousity, do you actually watch him or listen to him, or are you just parroting Trump's "sleepy Joe" meme?

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Well, we try to follow what he's saying, but it's hard to make sense from incomplete sentences.

Salty Booger said:

Well, we try to follow what he's saying, but it's hard to make sense from incomplete sentences.

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Then you are not being truthful. I have listened to several hours of his speeches, and the debates, and I've got news for you -- you just demonstrated to everybody here reading that you have not listened, because he has been speaking in more complete sentences, and with fewer pointless digressions, than Trump.

But alas, it is as I thought. Most people have made up their minds based on what they've been told by others -- usually those on their favourite TV channel, or their favourite social media -- but not by actually doing the work of listening FOR THEMSELVES.

What a shame.

Evangelicalhumanist said:

What a shame.

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I have no grievance regarding your choice this November. Should you believe Biden the right man for president, I would think poorly of you not to vote for him. I simply disagree. In my opinion, the man has been in politics for nearly 50 years and has nothing to show for it. He is a corporate pick, in my opinion. He is beyond his prime, and I suspect that a vote for Biden is really a vote for Harris.

Don't take it too seriously, it's only politics.

Left Coast said:

Also, it's not as though Trump is some peacenik:

Record 7,423 US bombs dropped in Afghanistan in 2019: Report

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Thanks. Another fact about Trump that is easily forgotten: he has repeatedly threatened to have a nuclear arms race with both China and Russia. He says bring it on, because “we will win”.

It’s hard to understate how incredibly dangerous this is.

We have been warned. By the time we appreciate that Donald Trump is who he says he is on nuclear policy, I fear it will be too late to avoid serious harm. Just like the thousands of children he separated. His racism was our warning, half of America refused to listen, and now innocent children are paying the price.

What will the price be if Trump has another “Lafayette Square” moment, but with nuclear weapons? Or another “separates thousands of children” moment? The probability of something awful happening may be small, but it is far larger than we should allow, given the potential for apocalyptic harm.

Let's also remember that Trump insulted most of Europe's leaders at one time or another. On the other hand, he was very complimentary of Kim and Putin.

ecco said:

Let's also remember that Trump insulted most of Europe's leaders at one time or another. On the other hand, he was very complimentary of Kim and Putin.

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Thats one aspect of Trump that I admit I don't get.

I'm curious how Biden will deal with Kimmy and Putin and don't forget Xi Jinping.