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Just Because There is a God...

Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I was just thinking, those folks who strongly insist on the need for there to be a God who created the universe,

Let's say such a God does exist,

Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Nakosis said:
I was just thinking, those folks who strongly insist on the need for there to be a God who created the universe,

Let's say such a God does exist,

Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
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Correct.
And just because we are in what appears to be in this universe doesn't mean that you are not a Boltzmann Brain.
It is unknown with reason what the universe really is. That includes a God, but also this universe in itself independent of your mind.
 
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Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Correct.
And just because we are in what appears to be in this universe doesn't mean that you are not a Boltzmann Brain.
It is unknown with reason what the universe really is. That includes a God, but also a this universe in itself independent of your mind.
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You could have stopped at "Correct", but thanks for your input. :D
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
I was just thinking, those folks who strongly insist on the need for there to be a God who created the universe,

Let's say such a God does exist,

Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
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Yes. Existence doesn't mean...
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I mean, yes? Congrats for recognizing the distinction between theism (which says next to nothing other than 'there's something called god that's a thing') and theology (which is the study of the gods and gets into knowing their qualities and characteristics) and religion (which is an all-encompassing way of life that includes narratives, values, rituals, and communities that help address life's meaning whether theistically or atheistically)?
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
I was just thinking, those folks who strongly insist on the need for there to be a God who created the universe,

Let's say such a God does exist,

Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
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That's the reason why there are so many religions/denominations. Almost all tenets of a religion have to believed as they are independent and can't be derived from basic axioms.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Nakosis said:
I was just thinking, those folks who strongly insist on the need for there to be a God who created the universe,

Let's say such a God does exist,

Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
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I'm not sure that we insist "on the need" for there to be a God... but rather it is obvious that He does

It does not follow that man has any connection.. but doesn't negate that he does
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man... but it doesn't mean he doesn't.
It does not follow that man has a soul and a spirit, but it doesn't mean he doesn't either.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
KenS said:
I'm not sure that we insist "on the need" for there to be a God... but rather it is obvious that He does

It does not follow that man has any connection.. but doesn't negate that he does
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man... but it doesn't mean he doesn't.
It does not follow that man has a soul and a spirit, but it doesn't mean he doesn't either.
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Sure, there is no logical connection to the premise of God's existence either way.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Nakosis said:
I was just thinking, those folks who strongly insist on the need for there to be a God who created the universe,

Let's say such a God does exist,

Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
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I was thinking to answer this question, but, God suggested NOT to answer.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
KenS said:
I wouldn't go that far.

I think it is logical to there to be a God
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I think it is illogical to think that if there is a God, we know anything about such a being.

Maybe God found the universe already created. Maybe God's parents created the universe for God to play with. Maybe the universe is an unintended by-product like a pimple on God's nose.

Since we know nothing, we can imagine anything. Some people have a fantasy about a God who created the universe. Ok, no better, no worse than any other fantasy about how the universe came to exist.

Based on a lack of knowledge, I don't see a reason to invest any more into one belief over the other.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Quintessence said:
I mean, yes? Congrats for recognizing the distinction between theism (which says next to nothing other than 'there's something called god that's a thing') and theology (which is the study of the gods and gets into knowing their qualities and characteristics) and religion (which is an all-encompassing way of life that includes narratives, values, rituals, and communities that help address life's meaning whether theistically or atheistically)?
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It may seem obvious to you, @Nakosis and me, but considering how many theists apparently haven't figured it out, it's probably worth pointing out.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
Just because God created the universe,
It does not follow that man has any connection to this God.
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man.
It does not follow that man has a soul, a spirit or there is any possibility of life/existence after the death of the brain.

Assuming God created the universe, this provides no support for any religious belief.
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No, none of that has to be true just because there is a God that created the universe, but are 84% of people in the world all wrong?

84 percent of the world population has a faith

How much sense does that make that ALL these people who have a religion are all wrong?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
KenS said:
I'm not sure that we insist "on the need" for there to be a God... but rather it is obvious that He does

It does not follow that man has any connection.. but doesn't negate that he does
It does not follow that this God has any concern for the welfare of man... but it doesn't mean he doesn't.
It does not follow that man has a soul and a spirit, but it doesn't mean he doesn't either.
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Ken, You said exactly what I was thinking but did not say.... I guess we think alike. :)
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Heyo said:
Given that those people can't agree on any specifics, I'd say that the 16% have a plurality.
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I do not consider that logical because there is no reason why the different religions would agree. I mean there would be no reason for God to reveal different religions at different times if they were all going to be the same.

“The Purpose of the one true God, exalted be His glory, in revealing Himself unto men is to lay bare those gems that lie hidden within the mine of their true and inmost selves. That the divers communions of the earth, and the manifold systems of religious belief, should never be allowed to foster the feelings of animosity among men, is, in this Day, of the essence of the Faith of God and His Religion. These principles and laws, these firmly-established and mighty systems, have proceeded from one Source, and are the rays of one Light. That they differ one from another is to be attributed to the varying requirements of the ages in which they were promulgated.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 287-288
 
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