I don't support feminist movements

I support feminists as long as there's no TERFs or similar extremists involved. They're like a toxic weed that's tough to uproot.

I've decided to soften my stance on the #MeToo movement as I think I was erroneously attributing it to something called "online shaming" to an extent without realizing how important it is to make aware about toxic people who do bad things.

I honestly wish my #MeToo story could go anywhere without bringing toxicity back into my life. I've already separated myself from that person's life in every way though. I just hope that person isn't still hurting others like they hurt me, but there's a high likelihood that they still are. I guess I still talk openly about it. I just don't want to be anywhere, even in a courtroom, with them.

KAT-KAT said:

I've decided I don't really support the feminist movement to the extent of being a strong advocate of it. They've done some good things. But things like the #MeToo movement which is often promoted by the feminists I've seen, have done an equal amount of destruction and good, and a lot of feminists are TERFs which can be harmful to me as a transgender person. I'm not completely against women speaking out in #MeToo, I just want there to be proof before destroying another person's reputation. And remember, #MeToo supporters can have allegations against them too, as well as feminists.

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As soon as a person is accused of something heinous and terrible, whoever hears about it, starts to wonder and doubt and think "maybe it is true?", so that an accusation is almost just as terrible as some kind of conviction, even without any proof at all. Its so terrible, but that is how the human mind works, and we are already suspicious of the remote realities of people in demographics we are not part of or don't understand, and might even sort of despise already out of jealousy, so we are ready to condemn them as soon as an opportunity appears to say "well at least they are terrible people, ah-ha! Bring them down!".

I want to understand what "feminism is" before I decide if I'm one or not. I used to think I was, sort of, because I didn't like that women were picking up terminology like calling themselves "*****es" and "whores" and I found this to be self-degrading and an influence coming from males most likely in origin. I also didn't like the idea that women should be supposedly easily out-negotiated out of equal pay for the same jobs performed at the same level and efficiency and quality (if not more) than males, and I believed that for the same tasks people should be paid the same, and also that pay rates should be more transparent so that this negotiating trickery can't go on so easily, it seems very unfair and wrong and threatening to me. I think that in most things women should have completely equal rights and means should also be available to assist and give women (and anyone else) whatever is necessary to bring them up to par with everyone else, performing at the same rate and getting rewarded at the same rate and protected in the same ways. So does that make me a feminist or a communist or what? I don't know all the different terms or what I am, I just know what I think is right and wrong.

I imagine what it would be like to be born a certain way, and just by being born that way and developing that way, to be treated weirdly or differently or have all these expectations put on or people act predatory towards me because of it or whatever, its not right, its not fair, its nightmarish really, like just to have breasts or whatever and suddenly others are looking at you one way, others want to you to be restricted or have to do this or that because of it, its literally so sick, because she didn't choose to be like that or be born like that.

I think that being anything other than a strong, dominant, high status, wealthy, Caucasian passing male in this world is almost like a curse upon people, and that women have it really bad, and that just being a woman of any sort is a major handicap and threat to ones ability to even enjoy life as much as a sexy God-male. I don't know why anyone would ever choose to appear as something or someone as low status and harassed as a female of any sort, but its even worse for non-Caucasian females who then have more prejudice and handicaps and predators for them, yuck central! The stuff of nightmares in a nightmarish and unfair world.

So I believe that governments should very much forcefully go ahead and restrict all the avenues in which the vulnerable or overcome populations (however small) can be taken advantage of unfairly, and should restrict and prosecute if necessary and punish those who basically are harming the disadvantaged. Yes, in my view, women are basically like a somewhat handicapped population, due to the handicaps imposed on them due to culture, the way they are surrounded by hormonal predators, even their own weaknesses physically that put them under threat, besides societal pressures, pressures to wear certain things, pressures to act certain ways or else be seen as weird or unpleasant, its just terrible, and men get away with so much more, even though a lot of men of certain kinds have disadvantages and their own issues or are in trouble due to various issues or perceived defects or just rotten personalities and social issues, but in comparison, they are a lot safer, a lot more capable in the society, have a better chance, have less things standing in their way or there to get in there way or annoy them (like, a dude can walk down the street seemingly without as much tension or concern generally as other types of dudes or especially women in the presence of dudes).

So am I a feminist?

I don't believe women are innately exactly identical to males, I believe they are biologically different, with different hormones, different tendencies based on those hormones, different brains that develop, different psychologies due to these factors and cultures, all that. I think to take them as just automatically equal is to not account for all the important differences and to take such things for granted and basically causing more disadvantageous legislation for women and women's rights and protections.

I also love women. I prefer that men also turn into women, since I love women so much, I find them more attractive and beautiful, so that when men become women too I prefer that they become more eye-candy for me and my preferences, and I mainly dislike men and I am disgusted with them often, and I think a lot of what makes men hateful to me is not really anything but the fault of their hormones and biology and the cultures which have stemmed from the evils of testosterone (which apparently even include baldness, and gross giant jaws like Thanos).

My ideal fantasy is that everyone around me is a woman, a mama, a sister, all the roles I grew up loving and being loved by and protected by, and that there is no man but me, and that I'm the big goat with my massive infinite goat harem of all women and womanized people who are beautiful by my standards and attractive and sexually available even and all love me as there is no one else to love but me, as I'm the only male, besides also the greatest male too!

Testosterone (the True God?) makes me want to be really intimidatingly big (which I already am, and thus have not been able to fit it inside any orifice, frustratingly, so end up just admiring my hugeness in all regards in the mirror), and muscular (not there yet, but I'll do it), and tall and massive, and Hero-like or Greek-God like (people have often said to me I look like a God, lol which is a funny and weird thing to have had multiple people say to me throughout my life).



I don't know how to upload pictures, but look how big and strong this guy looks and fit, he is like as tall as the Hulk because of some weirdness about how they designed the character in gameplay (but he appears ordinary sized when in cutscenes).

Yeaaaah.

So am I a feminist or what? What is a feminist or what are all the things being called Feminist these days?

I might even be the misandrist? Is that when a person doesn't like males? I'm totally prejudiced against males or mistrust them (something somewhat more acceptable today), since I think they always have an agenda, are always one way or another lured by sexual attractions or thinking of it possibly, and are basically only interested in talking to women due to their wiring, and can never be any other way. That is totally prejudiced (and its only about heterosexual males, as for homosexual males, I think they are like other males, except they are interested only in other males rather than females). The reason I think this, is probably due to myself, and how I only prefer women, and how I know I probably wouldn't even like talking to a person except that I enjoy it more if they look good to me somehow or I'm getting at least something out of it.

When people end up going for it, going more and more into image and appearance modification and want to appear like beautiful woman, I'm all for them mastering the appearance they want, and looking as beautiful and attractive as possible, so that I can maximize my stimulation and enjoyment at just looking at them.

I like Ru Paul's drag race for some of the (pretty rare maybe) occasionally very beautiful drag-queen transformations, though I prefer people to be attractive without the need of too much trickery or make up, but if its necessary then whatever, better than insulting my hungry eyes.

So, I tell girls of all ages, not to talk to men, because men just want sex, and can't be trusted, and can never be trusted, and are only sexually interested or even predatory, they can never really be "just friends" most likely, as they probably want ownership and domination (though this is possibly just based on me and what I am, even though I've had many female friends and never been predatory towards them, probably since I already feel they like me a lot and I basically "own" them anyway due to my huge influence in their lives as their best and sometimes only true friend, and the confidence that if I ever snapped my fingers , I could have them if I wanted them, even though I'd probably not be able to fit yet again, but I'm going to figure that one out hopefully sometime soon, once I become super sexy muscular otter-bod).

I actually only, or exclusively, like talking to people that I imagine love me and that I could have at any time ever (but never actually testing that, just being pretty certain based on their behaviors towards me that it would be very easy to get them naked and sexual, and would want anyway based on their looks), so only prefer talking to people who are very attractive and female in appearance, which also makes me proud to know such people and that such people seem to like me.

The people who appear not so attractive, aren't really a point of pride for me, unless they are somehow very talented or can be bragged about in some other way. I think secretly, males are like this inside, even if they don't admit to it, superficial, visually oriented, objectifying, with a desire to dominate and control, and that is all probably based (at least to a large degree) on their hormones messing with their minds.

Labourwave said:

Metoo has accomplished nothing wrong.
It's important that people feel comfortable to share their stories. How the public responds to it is a social process that will take time.
To argue against it is to argue that survivors must keep their mouths shut if they don't have evidence that can convince a court, which itself is dangerous and will lead to more assaults.

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But we did have cases of men having their reputations ruined and losing their careers. Look at Chris Hardwick. He was removed from the company he founded and fired from the shows he hosted based on a post made online by an ex-girlfriend of his (who honestly strikes me as having BPD; I have it myself and can recognize the signs of it). It was purely a case of hearsay about private things between two people that no one could verify. Eventually he was rehired and people didn't take her seriously after she failed to produce any evidence of her claims and his other exes backed him up (because abusers don't tend to abuse just one person). But that he went through that in the first place is a problem. Then there was that comedian who was dragged through the muck for basically just having an awkward date with a woman.

So we've seen it devolve from a movement about helping sex abuse survivors share their stories and holding powerful men accountable to hearsay and slanderous bickering between exes (like what's going on between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard when it's obvious that both of them acted like abusive loons towards each other). I don't believe someone's livelihood and reputation should be destroyed over hearsay. George Takei was lied about, too!

Jesster said:

I honestly wish my #MeToo story could go anywhere without bringing toxicity back into my life. I've already separated myself from that person's life in every way though. I just hope that person isn't still hurting others like they hurt me, but there's a high likelihood that they still are. I guess I still talk openly about it. I just don't want to be anywhere, even in a courtroom, with them.

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It is so important to make everyone aware of and catch and restrict real dangerous predators or criminals who have committed crimes and are a danger to others (and themselves), they need to be spoken out about always so that they are inhibited from traumatizing, harming, and even potentially killing or leading to the deaths or diseases or major problems for others and other families.

There are also villainous predators who don't commit acts which are considered crimes today, but instead they ruin lives, marriages, cause psychological traumas, seduce and deceive or break up with people after taking advantage of them, even these stories need to be told so that people stop doing this or the people who do it are feared as repeat offenders potentially and people need to be aware also that these sorts of things could happen to them at any moment.

Men (and all people) should be as transparent as possible, so that people know what they are getting into, and a lot of the time in stories I've told, the men are pretty overtly and openly clearly bad people, but many girls go for it anyway "I'll change him, he'll be different with me/for me" lol yeah right.

@The Artis Magistra did bring up an interesting point about why one would want to be a woman despite some worse treatment. I'd like to attempt to give my own opinion...

Women kind of have it rough in a lot of ways. I've seen R rated videos where let's just say the men were overly rough on the women.

Besides my gender dysphoria, there's another reason I saw it good to be a woman... I was diagnosed as schizophrenic and though I have never seen this medical explanation for it, what schizophrenia "feels" like to me is like having a multiplier on my testosterone. I know it doesn't make much sense. Yet getting on estrogen has put my mind at ease. Before I had so much anxiety sometimes, it was like I felt "haunted".

KAT-KAT said:

I've decided I don't really support the feminist movement to the extent of being a strong advocate of it. They've done some good things. But things like the #MeToo movement which is often promoted by the feminists I've seen, have done an equal amount of destruction and good, and a lot of feminists are TERFs which can be harmful to me as a transgender person. I'm not completely against women speaking out in #MeToo, I just want there to be proof before destroying another person's reputation. And remember, #MeToo supporters can have allegations against them too, as well as feminists.

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Has the #MeToo done more harm than good? It would be difficult to tell but from the evidence that exists I would argue the opposite. For every assault or harassments that it stops because those people are afraid of repercussions is a good thing. It depends on the study you look at but the majority seem to indicate that yes it has reduced workplace harassment.

I'll let TERFs take the mantle of feminism on the day I let Nazi's have Norse Mythology. Which will be never.

KAT-KAT said:

I've decided I don't really support the feminist movement to the extent of being a strong advocate of it. They've done some good things. But things like the #MeToo movement which is often promoted by the feminists I've seen, have done an equal amount of destruction and good, and a lot of feminists are TERFs which can be harmful to me as a transgender person. I'm not completely against women speaking out in #MeToo, I just want there to be proof before destroying another person's reputation. And remember, #MeToo supporters can have allegations against them too, as well as feminists.

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Why should there be a double standard concerning reporting sexual abuse? What other crimes do you think victims should remain silent about, unless they have indisputable proof that they were victimized? For instance, if I'm walking down an alley and someone I happen to recognize pulls a knife on me and steals my watch, should I not report the crime to the police, simply because it will be my word against the individual I'm accusing? And should I be reluctant to report it, because the first question the police might ask is: Weren't you kind of asking for it by wearing such a fancy watch for everyone to see?

The entire #metoo movement began because there IS such a double standard. If I claim someone stole my watch in an alleyway it's not automatically assumed that I'm making it up, if I don't happen to have it on video. What happens is that the police investigate the charges and if deemed appropriate they make an arrest and go to trial where a jury will determine whether or not I'm telling the truth or my accused mugger is telling the truth. My testimony alone might not be sufficient to put the mugger away; however if I'm just one of 5 or 6 individuals who have claimed this individual mugged them at knifepoint chances are good he's going to jail. But that would never happen if I and the other 5 or 6 individuals were shamed into silence about out assaults just because we didn't have indisputable proof.

Since the movement started there have been numerous examples of multiple accusers coming forward to expose individuals who have been abusing others for decades. There's been Weinstein, Cosby, Epstein.... Can you provide examples of the negative consequences of the movement?

Saint Frankenstein said:

But we did have cases of men having their reputations ruined and losing their careers. Look at Chris Hardwick. He was removed from the company he founded and fired from the shows he hosted based on a post made online by an ex-girlfriend of his (who honestly strikes me as having BPD; I have it myself and can recognize the signs of it). It was purely a case of hearsay about private things between two people that no one could verify. Eventually he was rehired and people didn't take her seriously after she failed to produce any evidence of her claims and his other exes backed him up (because abusers don't tend to abuse just one person). But that he went through that in the first place is a problem. Then there was that comedian who was dragged through the muck for basically just having an awkward date with a woman.

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BPD people are basically going around everywhere ruining tons of people's lives for their perceived insults from them and for revenge. For those who don't know, BPD stands for Borderline Personality Disorder, and this is a very interesting disorder to study, as the people are most likely the majority of the extremely hostile people online that everyone is getting in fights with constantly. They frequently appear exceptionally beautiful or well made or even eccentric in their appearance which gets them a lot of initial interest and intention which they use to seduce and attract people and start up very fiery and intense relationships which turn volatile very quickly as well, and are followed by very extreme seeming and melodramatic stories about how people were threatening to kill them or attack them (which might even be true, its just they might not exactly say what they do to contribute to the volatility or driving people crazy basically by being hot and cold every two seconds and picking fights about everything at any moment so one is constantly on edge and unstable or ready for fight or flight, its literally a living hell to have any sort of interaction with BPD type people, most of which are never even diagnosed as such and are often resistant to therapies even when receiving therapy, and sometimes they are mixed up with or mistaken for people with Bi-Polar Disorder who are often promiscuous as well during their manic stages).

BPD is somewhat related to personality disorders like Psychopathy and Sociopathy, and there is basically no medication for these things, or even very effective therapies. BPD people are often prone to getting angry with or ending up fighting with or making accusations against their therapists as well, making people really fear even ever dealing with them at all.

Based on encounters, numerous stories, even accounts by therapists and professionals and descriptions as well as seeing them and their ups and downs and volatility in action in real life as well as videos, these are possibly one of the most disturbing and terrifying sorts of people to deal with, and many people have faced someone with tendencies or behaviors like this, especially while online (though its even worse when its a parent or something, or a sibling, someone that is always around and very difficult to escape growing up).

Studies have shown that their intense sensitivity in some regards may be genuine even, and that they for whatever reason have very intense, almost physical reactions, to their readily misinterpreting statements or taking them in the worst way possible which leads them to bursting out fighting or attacking others who are left stunned or confused as to what in the world just happened or how did it happen, often blaming themselves or not understanding what they can do different to avoid the ire of these people.

Then again, his name is Hard Wick, so, suspect. (Joke)

Lyndon said:

you want to be a woman but you don't support women's rights, that seems a bit odd!!

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You shouldn't have to be forced to hold a pre-selected package of opinions due to your gender, race, religion, etc. We're not a hive mind.

Friend of Mara said:

Has the #MeToo done more harm than good? It would be difficult to tell but from the evidence that exists I would argue the opposite. For every assault or harassments that it stops because those people are afraid of repercussions is a good thing. It depends on the study you look at but the majority seem to indicate that yes it has reduced workplace harassment.

I'll let TERFs take the mantle of feminism on the day I let Nazi's have Norse Mythology. Which will be never.

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What are TERFs again? I think MeToo has probably done much more important good than harm and has maybe made a few more predators a little more afraid about what could happen to them if they do certain things. It might have also increased predators killing off their victims so that they can't talk, seeing as all the trouble people have gotten into when they talk.

The Artis Magistra said:

BPD people are basically going around everywhere ruining tons of people's lives for their perceived insults from them and for revenge. For those who don't know, BPD stands for Borderline Personality Disorder, and this is a very interesting disorder to study, as the people are most likely the majority of the extremely hostile people online that everyone is getting in fights with constantly. They frequently appear exceptionally beautiful or well made or even eccentric in their appearance which gets them a lot of initial interest and intention which they use to seduce and attract people and start up very fiery and intense relationships which turn volatile very quickly as well, and are followed by very extreme seeming and melodramatic stories about how people were threatening to kill them or attack them (which might even be true, its just they might not exactly say what they do to contribute to the volatility or driving people crazy basically by being hot and cold every two seconds and picking fights about everything at any moment so one is constantly on edge and unstable or ready for fight or flight, its literally a living hell to have any sort of interaction with BPD type people, most of which are never even diagnosed as such and are often resistant to therapies even when receiving therapy, and sometimes they are mixed up with or mistaken for people with Bi-Polar Disorder who are often promiscuous as well during their manic stages).

BPD is somewhat related to personality disorders like Psychopathy and Sociopathy, and there is basically no medication for these things, or even very effective therapies. BPD people are often prone to getting angry with or ending up fighting with or making accusations against their therapists as well, making people really fear even ever dealing with them at all.

Based on encounters, numerous stories, even accounts by therapists and professionals and descriptions as well as seeing them and their ups and downs and volatility in action in real life as well as videos, these are possibly one of the most disturbing and terrifying sorts of people to deal with, and many people have faced someone with tendencies or behaviors like this, especially while online (though its even worse when its a parent or something, or a sibling, someone that is always around and very difficult to escape growing up).

Studies have shown that their intense sensitivity in some regards may be genuine even, and that they for whatever reason have very intense, almost physical reactions, to their readily misinterpreting statements or taking them in the worst way possible which leads them to bursting out fighting or attacking others who are left stunned or confused as to what in the world just happened or how did it happen, often blaming themselves or not understanding what they can do different to avoid the ire of these people.

Then again, his name is Hard Wick, so, suspect. (Joke)

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Garbage. I have BPD and you're just insulting us. You have no idea what you're talking about. It's nothing like what you're saying.

Saint Frankenstein said:

You shouldn't have to be forced to hold a pre-selected package of opinions due to your gender, race, religion, etc. We're not a hive mind.

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I know you dislike me and we're not on good terms, but forgetting that for a moment (if you haven't blocked me or something), could you elaborate on this interesting statement you made, I like it, it sounds interesting, I just want to understand it more, what do you mean exactly or could you elaborate more fully with examples of what you are talking about here?

@The Artis Magistra , I would caution being too hard on men as only negative creatures... Most men do not support sexual harassment.

When a man came in my home and attempted to rape me in my younger years, (I was able to deter him with a knife and a cocker spaniel), I had to call for help. I should have called the cops, but I didn't. I called my boyfriend's house. He was a bit younger than me and still lived with his parents. His mother hated me, and said she didn't want me over, she didn't care what happened to me, and his father put an end to that talk. Normally a soft spoken man, he instructed her to be quiet, and offered to come pick me up himself, to assure no harm would come to me. So, in this case, it was a man to my rescue, and a woman who cast me aside.

There were other events in life in which I was harassed by a man, and other men worked to put an end to it, if I could not put an end to it myself.

So just because there are some bad eggs out there, doesn't mean the whole gender is violent or predatory.

The Artis Magistra said:

What are TERFs again? I think MeToo has probably done much more important good than harm and has maybe made a few more predators a little more afraid about what could happen to them if they do certain things. It might have also increased predators killing off their victims so that they can't talk, seeing as all the trouble people have gotten into when they talk.

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TERFs are basically feminists who believe trans females are not real women. This is my own definition as I see it without looking it up.

Saint Frankenstein said:

Garbage. I have BPD and you're just insulting us. You have no idea what you're talking about. It's nothing like what you're saying.

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Tell me what it is like. I know you have BPD, I was able to see that (so I must know a little of what I am talking about, especially because I studied it so much and its a topic of huge interest to me), if you could share with me the inside experience of it and what it is and a better way of describing it and the behaviors and actions, I would be extremely interested in hearing about it.

Saint Frankenstein said:

You shouldn't have to be forced to hold a pre-selected package of opinions due to your gender, race, religion, etc. We're not a hive mind.

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Well I happen to believe that any woman should be a feminist, if that makes you feel any better

KAT-KAT said:

TERFs are basically feminists who believe trans females are not real women. This is my own definition as I see it without looking it up.

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Are they some sort of feminists too? or are they just mainly Anti-Trans people who say "Men can never be Women Really" or are they also saying "Women need to be treated equal, men are trying to invade women's rights by pretending to be/masquerading as women"?

The Artis Magistra said:

Are they some sort of feminists too? or are they just mainly Anti-Trans people who say "Men can never be Women Really" or are they also saying "Women need to be treated equal, men are trying to invade women's rights by pretending to be/masquerading as women"?

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