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Is Hell really a place of fiery eternal torment?

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bobuk25

Member
Many religions believe that Hell is a place of eternal torment of the wicked, does such a place exist? Is the concept of someone being eternally tortured what we would expect from a God of Love?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
bobuk25 said:
Many religions believe that Hell is a place of eternal torment of the wicked, does such a place exist?
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Really? Which ones?

Is the concept of someone being eternally tortured what we would expect from a God of Love?
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Possibly. If God discovered humanity, then God is self-defining and can be a God of love and justice - being just as God self-defines the balance and definition of justice as God sees fit, regardless of our understanding.

So, yes, a God of love can be exactly what God wants to be, regardless of how we think that God's love is exclusive of an eternal tormentor.
 
rocka21

rocka21

Brother Rock
Luke 13:28
"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.


  1. Matthew 8:12
    But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
    Matthew 8:11-13 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Matthew 13:42
    They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    Matthew 13:41-43 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Matthew 13:49-51 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
  4. Matthew 22:13
    "Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
    Matthew 22:12-14 (in Context) Matthew 22 (Whole Chapter)
  5. Matthew 24:51
    He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    Matthew 24:50-51 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Bible gateway.com
 
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Mercy Not Sacrifice

Well-Known Member
rocka21 said:
Luke 13:28
"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.


  1. Matthew 8:12
    But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
    Matthew 8:11-13 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Matthew 13:42
    They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    Matthew 13:41-43 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Matthew 13:49-51 (in Context) Matthew 13 (Whole Chapter)
  4. Matthew 22:13
    "Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
    Matthew 22:12-14 (in Context) Matthew 22 (Whole Chapter)
  5. Matthew 24:51
    He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    Matthew 24:50-51 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Bible gateway.com
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1. What does all of that mean?

2. I didn't see the words "eternal" or "everlasting" in there anywhere.
 
rocka21

rocka21

Brother Rock
Mercy Not Sacrifice said:
1. What does all of that mean?

2. I didn't see the words "eternal" or "everlasting" in there anywhere.
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how long do you need it to be? 5 min.? 10 min?
 
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ApologeticsCatholic

Member
eternal nature of hell is stressed in the New Testament. For example, in Mark 9:47–48 Jesus warns us, "t is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." And in Revelation 14:11, we read: "And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."

Hell is not just a theoretical possibility. Jesus warns us that real people go there. He says, "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few" (Matt. 7:13–14).

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs" (CCC 1035).

But its important you understnad the difference between mortal sin and veniel sins
Breaking any one of the ten commandments is a mortal sin, but if you truley repent and are sorry and ask god for fogivness your mortal sin is forgivin. in the catholic church the same applies to veniel sin but the sin is easily forgven during mass when you offer your sins to the lord and recieve the Holy Eucharist
 
porkchop

porkchop

I'm Heffer!!!
bobuk25 said:
Many religions believe that Hell is a place of eternal torment of the wicked, does such a place exist? Is the concept of someone being eternally tortured what we would expect from a God of Love?
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Yes, such a place does exist.

Yes, i believe that it is perfectly reasonable and expected from such a loving and just God. Well, it is what i would expect, and most certainly believe, anyway.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Seyorni said:
With all this gnashing of teeth I expect Hell would be a hot employment venue for dentists.
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That's so funny!:p

God is our Father - there are times when fathers need to scold their children - but it is only to teach them; ultimately, Fathers' love outweighs all.
 
rocka21

rocka21

Brother Rock
Stimpleton said:
Yes, such a place does exist.

Yes, i believe that it is perfectly reasonable and expected from such a loving and just God. Well, it is what i would expect, and most certainly believe, anyway.
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  1. Matthew 3:7
    But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    Matthew 3:6-8 (in Context) Matthew 3 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Matthew 12:34
    O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
    Matthew 12:33-35 (in Context) Matthew 12 (Whole Chapter)
  3. John 2:15
    And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
Jesus called people " snakes and vipers", he made a weapon and whipped people, over turned tables. Jesus was not , ghandi, budda, or unitarian.
Matthew 23:33</STRONG>
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?



this " all loving God" still had a backbone, and stood up for what he believed in.
Jesus was not ghandi, he was not budda, and he definitely was not unitarian.

( iam ok, your ok, everyones ok, ...... la,la,la, ...... God would NEVER send us to hell...la, la, la,).






 
Ori

Ori

Angel slayer
rocka21 said:
Matthew 23:33</STRONG>
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?



this " all loving God" still had a backbone, and stood up for what he believed in.
Jesus was not ghandi, he was not budda, and he definitely was not unitarian.

( iam ok, your ok, everyones ok, ...... la,la,la, ...... God would NEVER send us to hell...la, la, la,).
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I'm not debating the existence of hell, or the fact that people go there. I simply don't believe it would be eternal.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Ori said:
I'm not debating the existence of hell, or the fact that people go there. I simply don't believe it would be eternal.
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Even Christ spent three days there. But no one has yet defined "Hell".
 
Pah

Pah

Uber all member
Is there a corporal body to punish? Is there a corporal body to reward? What reward or punishment can you give a spirit? If it is a material body there must be a material place, where is it?

If it is material does the arthritic go to heaven and retain the mundane "punishment" of pain? Would the dungeons of hell be pleasure palaces for S/M lovers?
 
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