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If there is no God who started the universe

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Believe me, you're fooling your own self, just create a human and be more superior
than the stone which you believe it was the reason that you're here on earth, I believe
with your good mind you can make a better design for a better human than the stupid
nature, you have all material and you have an advantage, you have a mind, go a head
and create a good designed human being.

I'm not God. I am neither all-knowing nor all-powerful.
Something created by natural forces I'd expect to not survive in every situation.

Genetic drift causes changes in a species survivability. Sometimes these changes are helpful, sometimes they are not. We got 7.5 billion people on the earth all with variations in their genetics.
There is plenty of information about how genetics works.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I'm not God. I am neither all-knowing nor all-powerful.
Something created by natural forces I'd expect to not survive in every situation.

Genetic drift causes changes in a species survivability. Sometimes these changes are helpful, sometimes they are not. We got 7.5 billion people on the earth all with variations in their genetics.
There is plenty of information about how genetics works.

Yes you believe in chances, some good and some bad.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What is space? actually the space was created with the big bang.
There cannot be an end though because something must lay beyond what is precieved to be an end as much as the premise there must be a beginning to everything. I consider both to be true.

The ultimate paradox. Its why I consider that we are in a continuum without borders.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Yes you believe in chances, some good and some bad.

I believe in change. The universe changes each moment. There may be times that intelligent life is not detectable. The potential could still be there.

Perhaps there was intelligent life before us. Maybe there exist lots of intelligent life in the universe. We know it exists now, why believe there was a time it didn't exist?

So I'm not saying you are wrong about there being a God. I have no knowledge there isn't. I'm just saying I find this alternate explanation a reasonable possibility.
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
And when you see a monkey you'll know that it came from another monkey and when you
see a tiger you'll know it came from another tiger and when you see a human then you
will believe that it was evolved from gorilla like creatures, but what I see that humans will
produce humans and always will produce humans, I didn't see how gorilla like creatures
have evolved to produce humans,
Have you looked at the evidence? We have skulls that show most of the transition.

The point is that species change slowly over time. They are always changing some. And small changes over many generations add up to large changes.

God said that earth was kind of smoke before forming
as a planet, if you believe that planets were really looked smoke then why you don't
believe that God is telling you facts that you already know to be real.

No, I did not say that. They were formed from gas and dust that condensed. At no point did they 'look like smoke'. Nor, for example, does the Earth 'hang on nothing'. Instead, it is moving at 18 miles per second around the sun.

I believe atheists just want to be atheists and that has nothing to do with evidences.

And theists want to be theists and that has nothing to do with the evidence.

If you haven't looked at the evidence against your position, then you really can't criticize those who disagree with you. I *have* looked at the evidence in support of the religious viewpoint and have found it wanting in comparison with what science provides on a daily basis.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Believe me, you're fooling your own self, just create a human and be more superior
than the stone which you believe it was the reason that you're here on earth, I believe
with your good mind you can make a better design for a better human than the stupid
nature, you have all material and you have an advantage, you have a mind, go a head
and create a good designed human being.

I'm not sure what you mean by this 'stone'. Could you elaborate what you seem to think others believe?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
There cannot be an end though because something must lay beyond what is precieved to be an end as much as the premise there must be a beginning to everything. I consider both to be true.

The ultimate paradox. Its why I consider that we are in a continuum without borders.

In this, you are implicitly assuming that space is infinite. But it can be finite and not have an 'edge' or 'end'. This happens in the same way that a circle has no 'end'.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
In this, you are implicitly assuming that space is infinite. But it can be finite and not have an 'edge' or 'end'. This happens in the same way that a circle has no 'end'.

Then what defines it? If it does not have an edge or end? You cannot stop with finite as there must be something beyond those parameters that makes something finite.

Like space defines a solid and vice versa.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Then what defines it? If it does not have an edge or end? You cannot stop with finite as there must be something beyond those parameters that makes something finite.

Like space defines a solid and vice versa.

A circle has no end, but is still finite. The surface of a sphere has no edge (you won't fall off the edge of the world), but is still finite.

It is *possible* that space is finite in the same way: a finite volume that is 'curved' in such a way that there is no edge.

In the simplest example, if you go out straight in any direction, you will eventually return to your starting point, exactly like what happens on the surface of a sphere.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
All the time i hear "there is no God, evolution is the cause of our existence "

My thought: i believe many religious people are thinking, if there is no God, how did it all start?

How can something suddenly go Bang ( big bang) but nothing triggerd the bang to happen?
So the question is.

No God, how did it go bang the first time from a big empty nothing?
Was there something there that triggerd it?

If there as been a series of big bangs over billions of years,what cased the first big bang?
Not who, but what.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
This is exactly why i asked, you guys always come back with a silly answer, but when you ask believers to give proof of God, then its 100%serioues from your side :confused: thats strange

It's not strange, it's called the philosophical burden of proof. If you claim there is a god, then it's up to you to provide reason to take your claim seriously (just like it would be up to me to provide reason for you to believe I have an invisible dragon). Very few atheists say that they know there is no god(s), just that we've never been given any good reasons to take any of the thousands of gods humans do or have worshipped at all seriously.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It's not strange, it's called the philosophical burden of proof. If you claim there is a god, then it's up to you to provide reason to take your claim seriously (just like it would be up to me to provide reason for you to believe I have an invisible dragon). Very few atheists say that they know there is no god(s), just that we've never been given any good reasons to take any of the thousands of gods humans do or have worshipped at all seriously.
I have a personal belief in God, why would i have to prove to others God exist? Religious belief is personal. What others believe is non of my business
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I have a personal belief in God, why would i have to prove to others God exist? Religious belief is personal. What others believe is non of my business

Okay, so why are you interested in whether people can disprove it or not? Sorry, but I don't really get where you're coming from. If it's just personal faith, why bother with 'proof' or evidence either way?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Okay, so why are you interested in whether people can disprove it or not? Sorry, but I don't really get where you're coming from. If it's just personal faith, why bother with 'proof' or evidence either way?
I dont, its other who always ask for proof because they them self do not belief.

The reason for my op was to see if you could come up with proof God does not exist, but none have done so
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
The reason for my op was to see if you could come up with proof God does not exist, but none have done so

But that's trivially obvious. In the general case, the unqualified word "God" doesn't really mean anything (because it means so many different things to different people), so of course it can't be disproved. Without further quantification of the word, I'm ignostic, rather than atheist.

Going further, although some versions of god can be disproved, because they are logically inconsistent or self-contradictory, and some my be challenged using evidence, most conceptions of god are simply unfalsifiable, so they cannot possibly be disproved (just like my invisible dragon).
 
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