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Christmas & Santa are agents of evil sent by Satan the Devil
- Thread starter t3gah
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jewscout
Religious Zionist
http://www.iamawitch.com/article.php?story=20041204162107838Melody said:
http://paganwiccan.about.com/cs/aboutyule/a/paganxmas.htm
and also read Jeremiah 10:1-4:
Jeremiah 10:1-4 JPS version 1917 said:
Melody
Well-Known Member
Most likely they are doing it year round, but the media only picks up on it at Christmas as a "feel good" story. But, let's say they only do this at Christmas....you're saying the gift no longer means anything and they shouldn't do it at all?t3gah said:
Salvation Army has their buckets out in front of stores at Christmas and they bring in something like 80% of their needed budget this way. A lot of people only donate at this time of year. Are you saying they should not donate because the gift is worthless since they only donate at Christmas? What can I say but, wow.
FyreBrigidIce
Returning Noob
The Salvation Army also gives aid to many unfortunate families that are affected by floods, hurricanes or any other disaster, including loss of jobs.
This would have been known if someone spent more time researching all aspects instead of what only supports their own thoughts and beliefs.
When I did my paper I at least tried to find sources of information that argued against my point.
This would have been known if someone spent more time researching all aspects instead of what only supports their own thoughts and beliefs.
When I did my paper I at least tried to find sources of information that argued against my point.
Melody
Well-Known Member
If this is directed to me, and I think it was because I'm the only one who mentioned the Salvation Army....what in heaven's name does this have to do with the conversation?FyreBrigidIce said:
Don't patronize me. I know full well what the Salvation Army's mission statement is and what they do. They are one of the company's we (my company) support and I wouldn't have chosen them without knowing this.
My comment had nothing to do with what the salvation army did. It had to do with the *people* dropping money in their buckets. People who may only give at Christmas time, which according to t3gah somehow makes the gift unworthy if they only give at Christmas.
:banghead3
Melody
jewscout
Religious Zionist
I'm not saying it has anything to do w/ your motives (and i apologize for the bold but for some reason it wouldn't let me unbold it) what i'm trying to point out is that the early church superimposed christianity onto an already existing pagan holiday/festival in order to get converts. Much of what you see around you during christmas, whether you know it or not, is derived from ancient pagan tradition...everything from mistletoe to Christmas trees.Melody said:
It's just sorta been enterwoven into our images of christmas it's difficult to associate it w/ anything else.
Melody
Well-Known Member
and also read Jeremiah 10:1-4:
Quote: (Originally Posted by Jeremiah 10:1-4 JPS version 1917)
Hear ye the word which HaShem speaketh unto you, O house of Israel;
thus saith HaShem: Learn not the way of the nations, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the nations are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for it is but a tree which one cutteth out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Since this was written *before* Christians started the tradition (or hijacked it), one would assume that this verse has to do with the pagan celebrations and rituals. Christians do not worship trees.
Quote: (Originally Posted by Jeremiah 10:1-4 JPS version 1917)
Hear ye the word which HaShem speaketh unto you, O house of Israel;
thus saith HaShem: Learn not the way of the nations, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the nations are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for it is but a tree which one cutteth out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Since this was written *before* Christians started the tradition (or hijacked it), one would assume that this verse has to do with the pagan celebrations and rituals. Christians do not worship trees.
FyreBrigidIce
Returning Noob
Melody said:
I ALSO KNOW VERY WELL WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE MY FAMILY IS BEING HELPED BY THEM RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!! As well as family members in Florida.
Thanks for showing me that there are more people that assume and imply patronization.
jewscout
Religious Zionist
And since the Ten Commandments were given before christians and not to christians they do not need to keep them, yet almost all feel it is as much their duty as it is the Jews'.Melody said:
I know that Christians don't worship trees, but the practice is clearly pagan in it's origins.
Actually i really don't care either way...i like christmas trees...i just think it's a funny verse
Melody
Well-Known Member
I thought this thread was about Christmas being the agent of evil sent by Satan and not a debate on who had the first Christmas/christmas tree/presents, etc.?
I know (and probably so does 95% of the world) that the church hijacked many pagan rituals. It does not mean that we celebrate the pagan religion or belief.
My posts were merely to show how/why some Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.
Ten more minutes and I get to shut the business down until January 3rd and I may have to go home and have an eggnog with rum in it. Oh wait....that's probably a pagan ritual too.
Melody :woohoo:
I know (and probably so does 95% of the world) that the church hijacked many pagan rituals. It does not mean that we celebrate the pagan religion or belief.
My posts were merely to show how/why some Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.
Ten more minutes and I get to shut the business down until January 3rd and I may have to go home and have an eggnog with rum in it. Oh wait....that's probably a pagan ritual too.
Melody :woohoo:
FyreBrigidIce
Returning Noob
Actually I should be the one apologizing. I should not have snapped at you. I percieved your post as snapping at me, which I should not have done. Your apologies are accepted. Please accept mine as well.
I posted about the Salvation Army to try to support your post by mentioning the aid they give as a whole. I thought it was mentioned in another post that Christians should give charity year round and I wanted to show that there are Christians that do so. Maybe its a roundabout way to support your position that just because charity is given at Christmas, it does not make it wrong.
Again I apologize for snapping at you.
I posted about the Salvation Army to try to support your post by mentioning the aid they give as a whole. I thought it was mentioned in another post that Christians should give charity year round and I wanted to show that there are Christians that do so. Maybe its a roundabout way to support your position that just because charity is given at Christmas, it does not make it wrong.
Again I apologize for snapping at you.
ROFL, In what language?SOGFPP said:The Me part.
In any language I know, there's no ME in Christmas, only in the participants. But what the hey, I'm just an old man who only knows about four languages.
Isa 65:11 But you who forsake the LORD, who forget my holy mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for Destiny;
Just a short study of the Fortune and Destiny , will reveal alot of truth on who's birthday it really is.
There is not one iota of evidence Jesus was born on that date.
Just some more extra non-Biblical writings. Like Sunday/Sabbath. LOL
FyreBrigidIce
Returning Noob
Yes we did. As I reread the past few posts I also realized that I was not clear on who I was referring the response too with my mention of Salvation Army. That is what caused the confusion and misconceptions. I see how the post appears to respond to you instead of being in general about charity year round.
The best part is that we can see each others position and go on from here without any hard feelings.
I hope you enjoy your holiday season and that you and your loved ones are blessed with more non-material gifts than material ones.
The best part is that we can see each others position and go on from here without any hard feelings.
I hope you enjoy your holiday season and that you and your loved ones are blessed with more non-material gifts than material ones.
Melody
Well-Known Member
Yes we know that Jesus was not born on December 25th.
Yes we know that Christmas trees were originally a pagan ritual.
So what?! We aren't worshipping the trees, or the gifts (ok, some of us aren't), or the day.
Since we don't know the exact date of Christ's birth, does that mean we should just throw up our hands and say, "Well God, you're just outta luck now, aren't you?" My niece was adopted from Kazakhstan and they don't know her birthday so made one up for her. I think Jesus is at least as deserving.
Melody
And no I haven't had that eggnog yet. I'm thinking it might have to be two.
Yes we know that Christmas trees were originally a pagan ritual.
So what?! We aren't worshipping the trees, or the gifts (ok, some of us aren't), or the day.
Since we don't know the exact date of Christ's birth, does that mean we should just throw up our hands and say, "Well God, you're just outta luck now, aren't you?" My niece was adopted from Kazakhstan and they don't know her birthday so made one up for her. I think Jesus is at least as deserving.
Melody
And no I haven't had that eggnog yet. I'm thinking it might have to be two.
Please, tell me when the unchanging God Changed.
Ex 32:4 And he received the gold at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, and made a molten calf; and they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!"
If I recall God was angry! But Jesus the changed God changed all that, Didn't he?
Ex 32:4 And he received the gold at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, and made a molten calf; and they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!"
If I recall God was angry! But Jesus the changed God changed all that, Didn't he?