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in sha‘ allah (God willing).

firedragon

Veteran Member
I wonder if god willing to a Muslim is god bless to a christian. I hear the latter a lot and other things like thank you lord merged in conversations that are not religious focus if not at all.

Actually, God bless you is something like Barakallah. Thats a wish upon someone. God bless you.

Inshaallah means "If God Wills". Shaa means "wants" as in when you say "If he wants or wills". So its not like God Bless.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I am sure you heard a muslim say " in sha‘ allah (God willing)."
Putting your faith in God so that if God want it to happen i will.

Many people i know laugh when i used this phrase a few times, because they believe in nothing that they them self as done, so they ask, why would Allah care what you do or dont do?

My answer is, Allah do care because Allah want the best for humanity.

The next question i always get is. So Allah only see his slaves( followers) as humanity?

My answer is: no Allah see every human being and want all good for everyone, but he do not force anyone to be a follower, what happen when someone do not follow the teaching is that they will not be able to stop the suffering they feel.

To end this with saying. I do not ask you to be a muslim :) and i am really happy for those who found answers within their current religion or faith. I cheering you on your path.
If you found your answer outside of religion or spiritual teaching you can live a good life with it :) i know religion or spiritual life is not for everyone ( not because it is impossible to become religious but because it was not meant to be for you this time)

Feel free to discuss but be nice to each other ( i promise i won't bite) :p

Hope this thread will be in good spirit for everyone ( in sha‘ allah )

Just a question,

What have you learned that has helped you to end your suffering?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Just a question,

What have you learned that has helped you to end your suffering?
That is a lot actually, be more calm, when i need guidance i can pray to Allah to give some form of guidance ( for my spiritual path)
Tolerance toward other spiritual views or opinions.
That doing good always pays off in a good way.
I learned to love life in a new way.

List goes on and on
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
Well, if I assumed wrong, I apologise.

In that case let me clarify from you. Please explain what you interpreted from the verse you underlined, and whats the relevance.

Thanks in advance.
well....I did not underline that ...I found it that way and oddly enough it was in the context of discussing the other aspects of intelligence such as the heart-mind and gut mind aspect of intuition and the subconscious processes which move us, which we are blithely unaware of subjectively..... which oddly enough the religious teachings do assist with such internal cartography through the use of the metaphorical imagery used in constructing these literary devices.
the hebrew cultural texts also refer to the same concepts, but use different imagery.
[I find these correlations fascinating and thought perhaps, inshallah, something amusingly pleasant would come of it.....mutually that is, at no one's expense...personally I have no axes to grind with anybody and love you all....just so you know. for what that may be worth]
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I am sure you heard a muslim say " in sha‘ allah (God willing)."
Putting your faith in God so that if God want it to happen i will.

Many people i know laugh when i used this phrase a few times, because they believe in nothing that they them self as done, so they ask, why would Allah care what you do or dont do?

My answer is, Allah do care because Allah want the best for humanity.

The next question i always get is. So Allah only see his slaves( followers) as humanity?

My answer is: no Allah see every human being and want all good for everyone, but he do not force anyone to be a follower, what happen when someone do not follow the teaching is that they will not be able to stop the suffering they feel.

To end this with saying. I do not ask you to be a muslim :) and i am really happy for those who found answers within their current religion or faith. I cheering you on your path.
If you found your answer outside of religion or spiritual teaching you can live a good life with it :) i know religion or spiritual life is not for everyone ( not because it is impossible to become religious but because it was not meant to be for you this time)

Feel free to discuss but be nice to each other ( i promise i won't bite) :p

Hope this thread will be in good spirit for everyone ( in sha‘ allah )

That is good...

I like "I know what God is willing" just a little better.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
well....I did not underline that ...I found it that way and oddly enough it was in the context of discussing the other aspects of intelligence such as the heart-mind and gut mind aspect of intuition and the subconscious processes which move us, which we are blithely unaware of subjectively..... which oddly enough the religious teachings do assist with such internal cartography through the use of the metaphorical imagery used in constructing these literary devices.
the hebrew cultural texts also refer to the same concepts, but use different imagery.
[I find these correlations fascinating and thought perhaps, inshallah, something amusingly pleasant would come of it.....mutually that is, at no one's expense...personally I have no axes to grind with anybody and love you all....just so you know. for what that may be worth]

There is correlation between many many many texts if that the case. Many. Even if you look at Hindu scripture there is correlation. You would find amazing similarities in monotheistic values in Aborigine theologies of Australia and Judaism. This is one of the reasons some people have delved into the subject of origins of religion and ideas like perennial philosophy.

I didnt understand the relevance.
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
There is correlation between many many many texts if that the case. Many. Even if you look at Hindu scripture there is correlation. You would find amazing similarities in monotheistic values in Aborigine theologies of Australia and Judaism. This is one of the reasons some people have delved into the subject of origins of religion and ideas like perennial philosophy.

I didnt understand the relevance.
yes, there are correlations everywhere, as if the whole thing is entangled [the big quantum fractal it seems to be]
found aldous huxley [perennial philosophy] when in college taking religious studies as the major.
which was a nice addition to the eclectic host of authors I had also become acquainted with during that time......
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
yes, there are correlations everywhere, as if the whole thing is entangled [the big quantum fractal it seems to be]
found aldous huxley [perennial philosophy] when in college taking religious studies as the major.
which was a nice addition to the eclectic host of authors I had also become acquainted with during that time......

Have you read Huxley?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
that was what I meant ....found, read most of his works....still have them someplace.

Great. I have not read any of his other works, but I've read his Perennial Philosophy and he says he got the term from Wilhelm in the 18th century. Also his mysticism comes from many ideas dating thousands of years with platforms on Neo platonism, Ibn Arabi. Most monotheistic faiths around the world, and even some ancient religions like Atanatu are primarily based on the same Perennial Philosophy, just that most have misunderstood them all. For instance, Huxley does quote the Smritis and statements like Na Thasya Pratima Asti and Ikkam Ividitjam but people generally practice monolatry which means it is a direct contradiction.

Also what should be realised is that the verse you quoted from the Quran, 7:179 says "Dharaa" with an Alif/Hamza which in its basic meaning is to produce or multiply. But when the pluralis majestatis of God is used in a word Faala Maadh perfect tense it means "naturally" because the concept of the Quran is "creationism" so everything natural in the universe is creationism. Hope you understand. So this is speaking about whats natural, where there will be people and they will have certain characteristics. It's inevitable.

Anyway. Nice chatting.

Peace.
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
Great. I have not read any of his other works, but I've read his Perennial Philosophy and he says he got the term from Wilhelm in the 18th century. Also his mysticism comes from many ideas dating thousands of years with platforms on Neo platonism, Ibn Arabi. Most monotheistic faiths around the world, and even some ancient religions like Atanatu are primarily based on the same Perennial Philosophy, just that most have misunderstood them all. For instance, Huxley does quote the Smritis and statements like Na Thasya Pratima Asti and Ikkam Ividitjam but people generally practice monolatry which means it is a direct contradiction.

Also what should be realised is that the verse you quoted from the Quran, 7:179 says "Dharaa" with an Alif/Hamza which in its basic meaning is to produce or multiply. But when the pluralis majestatis of God is used in a word Faala Maadh perfect tense it means "naturally" because the concept of the Quran is "creationism" so everything natural in the universe is creationism. Hope you understand. So this is speaking about whats natural, where there will be people and they will have certain characteristics. It's inevitable.

Anyway. Nice chatting.

Peace.
thanks for that clarification on that term..... helps set the tone of the portion. I saw the piece in a similar vein although I haven't delved into the arabic languages that much......Ontology is a huge field to sift through and laboriously piece together after the ruthless pograms of information suppression.
I started to get into Gerald Massey's works this past while...... haven't finished his entire trilogy yet, almost...but it is a telephone book size tome..... you may find his work interesting.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
thanks for that clarification on that term..... helps set the tone of the portion. I saw the piece in a similar vein although I haven't delved into the arabic languages that much......Ontology is a huge field to sift through and laboriously piece together after the ruthless pograms of information suppression.
I started to get into Gerald Massey's works this past while...... haven't finished his entire trilogy yet, almost...but it is a telephone book size tome..... you may find his work interesting.

I dont agree with him in his etymologies mate. Its too much apologetics to the opposite side of the spectrum with no basis but pure assumption. I appreciate the research in parallelism and there is definitely a lot of truth in them, but he goes too far with the etymology because he lacks in knowledge of the life and times of Jesus frankly. Most scholars reject it. He makes big blunders by mixing the Gospel stories with Christian practices which are typical of the flip side of apologetics. Frankly he is no scholar in the bible or Christianity so he makes big errors due to his lack of knowledge. He is too invested in parallelism that he forgot there is a thing called "history" so to me some of his methods and conclusions are absolutely nonsensical.

Anyway I was not referring to one term alone, but the whole concept of the Quran since you quoted it.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
That sounds a bit inappropriate probably to Muslim ears, the "Insha'Allah" is supposed to be passive and does not mean to represent knowledge of God's intentions or control over future outcomes or anything.

I didn't seem to bother Amanaki. There is a place in the Bible that also says "If God wills" - but those are in every day situations.
 
I didn't seem to bother Amanaki. There is a place in the Bible that also says "If God wills" - but those are in every day situations.

Could you explain your version or adjustment of it? Maybe I misread it or something. The way it is supposed to be in the Qur'an is that for every little thing, or at least for plans and things in a day or some statement about doing any basic things, one says "If God so wills" as a little addition to the bold statements like "I will do this, and I will do that, then this will happen, then I'll do this", but if a person says "I know that God wills it" that seems sort of bold, maybe pretentious, rude, since "How do you know?" and "Do you command God or know God's will or plans?" since the Qur'an seems to say that no one knows what is in God's heart/mind or what God will do, if God will make it so or not, so one then says in a cowardly and cowering fashion as a subordinate "If the Boss makes it happen, but if not, the Boss gets what the boss wants, and I can only ask and hope".
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Could you explain your version or adjustment of it? Maybe I misread it or something. The way it is supposed to be in the Qur'an is that for every little thing, or at least for plans and things in a day or some statement about doing any basic things, one says "If God so wills" as a little addition to the bold statements like "I will do this, and I will do that, then this will happen, then I'll do this", but if a person says "I know that God wills it" that seems sort of bold, maybe pretentious, rude, since "How do you know?" and "Do you command God or know God's will or plans?" since the Qur'an seems to say that no one knows what is in God's heart/mind or what God will do, if God will make it so or not, so one then says in a cowardly and cowering fashion as a subordinate "If the Boss makes it happen, but if not, the Boss gets what the boss wants, and I can only ask and hope".

First, let me say that there is nothing wrong with saying "if God so wills".

James 4:13-17 Just a moment, now, you who say, “We are going to such-and-such a city today or tomorrow. We shall stay there a year doing business and make a profit”! How do you know what will happen even tomorrow? What, after all, is your life? It is like a puff of smoke visible for a little while and then dissolving into thin air. Your remarks should be prefaced with, “If it is the Lord’s will, we shall be alive and will do so-and-so.”

There are every day life desires that we don't know if it is His if it is part of our life or not.

But to know God's will isn't hard in many circumstances. For and example:

john 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There is not doubt that God wants people to have everlasting life. We don't have to ask if it is His will... it was spelled out very clearly and emphasized in:

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Again... very clear that it is already His will that we should not perish.

Before I use to "hope" I was going to have everlasting life. But now, because I know His will and have believed in Him, I know I have everlasting life.

That is my context.
 
I see! Thank you for explaining. The Qur'an never provides anyone with that sort of confidence about anything, and so one is left in a state of not knowing for certain if what we do will be good enough or what, or if one is truly going to be forgiven, safe, or attain paradise or punishment.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I am sure you heard a muslim say " in sha‘ allah (God willing)."
Putting your faith in God so that if God want it to happen i will.

Many people i know laugh when i used this phrase a few times, because they believe in nothing that they them self as done, so they ask, why would Allah care what you do or dont do?

My answer is, Allah do care because Allah want the best for humanity.

The next question i always get is. So Allah only see his slaves( followers) as humanity?

My answer is: no Allah see every human being and want all good for everyone, but he do not force anyone to be a follower, what happen when someone do not follow the teaching is that they will not be able to stop the suffering they feel.

To end this with saying. I do not ask you to be a muslim :) and i am really happy for those who found answers within their current religion or faith. I cheering you on your path.
If you found your answer outside of religion or spiritual teaching you can live a good life with it :) i know religion or spiritual life is not for everyone ( not because it is impossible to become religious but because it was not meant to be for you this time)

Feel free to discuss but be nice to each other ( i promise i won't bite) :p

Hope this thread will be in good spirit for everyone ( in sha‘ allah )

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