Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Just as I stated, none of those verses EXCLUDES anyone. And that EVERYONE (ALL people) who asks/prays to the Christian "god" will be answered. Thanks for once again backing me up! .
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God does not answer prayers
- Thread starter BlueSky95
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Just as I stated, none of those verses EXCLUDES anyone. And that EVERYONE (ALL people) who asks/prays to the Christian "god" will be answered. Thanks for once again backing me up! .
Did it ever occur to you that God may feel the same way about you? Its an invitation only arrangement, you know. (John 6:65)
I am not the least depressed, nor is there wickedness in my brotherhood...but of course you know all about everything and what everyone should believe......right?
That is their decision to make, as is yours.....you speak for "everyone" apparently.....all the best with that....
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Trailblazer
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None of the verses say anything about ALL people having their prayers answered.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Reading comprehension is soooo not your strong point.
I can see that you must have been a Christian at one point, given you LOVE to play the word games of AVOIDANCE.
All those verses EXCLUDES nobody, so EVERYBODY who asks/prays to the Christian "god" will be answered.
You you can continue to use your deceit, but their it is, deal with it.
What’s funny?
It’s a wicked world, you don’t agree?
It’ll get cleaned up by God’s Kingdom.
joelr
Well-Known Member
No, it does not happen more than you think. Diseases have mortality rates. Take one type/stage of cancer and it will have a mortality rate, say a type of stage 3 cancer has a 50% rate in the US. Within a predicted statistical variation you will always see this rate met. If there was a deity saving people then these stats would fluxuate wildly. If a deity is only saving enough people so the stats don't change that would be incredibly limiting and ad-hoc to even assume that is happening.
There actually isn't definitely more cancer now either. Once you factor in the fact that people are living longer that rate of cancer is about the same. There are less cancers from smoking and sun exposure but more related to obesity. All of the changes we see have causal reasons, we understand what's causing the changes.
A statistically determined number of people will heal from illness which plays out in a natural way. To sneak in a supernatural helping hand is a nice notion but not supported by any data.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
None those verses INCLUDES everybody, so not EVERYBODY who asks/prays to the Christian "god" will be answered.
God answers whomsoever He Willeth. The Baha'i God does not answer ALL prayers either, only those He CHOOSES to answer.
“Know thou, O fruit of My Tree, that the decrees of the Sovereign Ordainer, as related to fate and predestination, are of two kinds. Both are to be obeyed and accepted. The one is irrevocable, the other is, as termed by men, impending. To the former all must unreservedly submit, inasmuch as it is fixed and settled. God, however, is able to alter or repeal it. As the harm that must result from such a change will be greater than if the decree had remained unaltered, all, therefore, should willingly acquiesce in what God hath willed and confidently abide by the same.
The decree that is impending, however, is such that prayer and entreaty can succeed in averting it.
God grant that thou who art the fruit of My Tree, and they that are associated with thee, may be shielded from its evil consequences.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 133
Note that it says it “can succeed” not that it “will succeed.”
What that amounts to is that we are completely at the mercy of God.
MNoBody
Well-Known Member
it is said that the divine being works in mysterious ways, and no man knows the plans of that one except that one alone......
so it strikes an odd impression for the onlookers to see the seekers of this being [and self-professed family] making such bold and rash claims, as if they were in the inner counsel chambers of that "entity" and can speak on that ones behalf, as one who knows perfectly their innermost thoughts and intents and ways.....
as if such a herald was required......such a being needs no such heralds as the whole of creation breathes the name,
it is on your every breath, with every beat of your heart.
so it strikes an odd impression for the onlookers to see the seekers of this being [and self-professed family] making such bold and rash claims, as if they were in the inner counsel chambers of that "entity" and can speak on that ones behalf, as one who knows perfectly their innermost thoughts and intents and ways.....
as if such a herald was required......such a being needs no such heralds as the whole of creation breathes the name,
it is on your every breath, with every beat of your heart.
Two days ago I was thinking about having a machine to make juice from fruits, we had one but we really never used it and it stopped working. I was not a big fan of natural juice, I was more like a soda addict but life taught me a good lesson so now I can only drink natural juice. So I said it will be nice to have one, sure I saw no chances to buy one right now when my family is trying hard to make it through this hard times. Today, out of nowhere, not even in my wildest dreams I could forsee this, my cousin came from nowhere with a new machine to make fruit juice. No one told my causin to do this, no one asked my cousin for this, she had no idea that the old one broke, she came, left the package and left.
This is what I call a prayer being answered but not by God, but by what I call the "Higher Self", the true You, because it will make little sense for God to answer such a prayer when meanwhile a mother prays for her dying child and nothing happens. I prayed for sick children and they were not helped so God decided to grant me this wish, ludicrous! Anyway, some people call this the "law of attraction", I not 100% about this but I must say that I've seen crazy things happening in my recent life.
I used to be that type of guy who would say "God answered my prayer!" but this is nothing more than wishful thinking.
This is what I call a prayer being answered but not by God, but by what I call the "Higher Self", the true You, because it will make little sense for God to answer such a prayer when meanwhile a mother prays for her dying child and nothing happens. I prayed for sick children and they were not helped so God decided to grant me this wish, ludicrous! Anyway, some people call this the "law of attraction", I not 100% about this but I must say that I've seen crazy things happening in my recent life.
I used to be that type of guy who would say "God answered my prayer!" but this is nothing more than wishful thinking.
I disagree....
"It is predicted there will be 27.5 million new cancer cases worldwide each year by 2040, if recent trends in incidence of major cancers and population growth are seen globally in the future. This is an increase of 61.7% from 2018 and is expected to be higher in males (67.6% increase) than in females (55.3% increase)."
Worldwide cancer incidence statistics
I guess it just depends on where you get the data:
We are getting more and more sick with every year... I read today the story of a child that now is 12 years old, for the past 7 years he has been fighting cancer, 7 years is a very long time, God is nowhere to be found because the God in whom many believe does not exist, it's just wishful thinking. It is my feeling that if humanity would stop from chasing imaginary beings and turn their attention to their own inner most selves, then this world would experience a dramatic change in good. The dirty media and the dirty politics would stop influencing humanity because humanity would understand that the answer is not outside, but within. God is not going to come down from the sky, He is going to come foward from within.
I've been searching like a madman for God, then one day, I had this powerful out of body experience, I was searching God, a voice said to me that God was not there, so something made me to fly towards the sky, when suddenly, I heard the voice of a man: Where your treasures are stored, there you will find Me;
This made me think about Matthew and about Jesus telling us to store treasures in Heaven, but think about it, where do we actually store these "treasures", not within ourselves? When you do a good thing that action has a positive impact within one's self, just a simple act of holding the door for an old lady can raise one's self to a more positive state.
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I would agree with some points and, obvious, disagree about God not existing.
But I will fight for your right to believe there is no God!
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
LOL!
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
I've already demonstrated how you lack reading comprehension, so why do you persist in making yourself look foolish?
Of course those verses I quoted include everyone because they exclude no one. Geez...
And your mythology has nothing to do with the Christian/bible beliefs on prayer. So take your straw man reply out of the equation.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
That is not what i said
The sign will stand out from the ordenary in life, i know when my prayer has been answered because life change toward the better. Or i learn how to change it to the better.
So are you saying that people who do not pray or pray to other gods never have positive life changes? And are you saying that you get exactly what you prayed for every time you pray>
God is nowhere to be found because he is not ruling this world.....the devil is. (1 John 5:19)
The Bible tells us why.
Do you have any idea who God is and what he has been doing down here since man's defection? Do you even know what prayer is? Do you know why God is apparently missing from this world? He tells us all about it in the Bible but most people do not have a clue.....they would rather trash talk God and throw him under the bus, than make it their business to find out why we are even in this mess.
OK....add your 'OBE' to the long list of those who have also had these kinds of experiences, and ask yourself can they all be God providing the answer? Would any of the people having these experiences know if it was a mere delusion cause by mental illness? Whose OBE is genuine?
Where are our treasures stored?
Matthew 6:19-21....
“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. 20 Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Our lives are contaminated by sin....there is not much good in any of us, so the Bible provided guidelines so that we can know what God says is good.
Its nice to do good deeds for someone, but should we hold our breath waiting for the whole of mankind to get that message?
Psalm 14:1-3....
"The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds;
There is no one who does good.
2 The Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men
To see if there are any who understand,
Who seek after God.
3 They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt;
There is no one who does good, not even one."
This is a sad fact that has not changed since that Psalm was written.God's definition of "good" is entirely missing from flawed humanity.
Only God can fix what is wrong with the human race and I believe the time is near when he will step in and rectify all that is not right.
joelr
Well-Known Member
You disagree with what? I said the increase in actual cases is because people are living longer. The site you linked to said the most cases are between 85-89 years old. More people are surviving to those ages so the rate of cancer will increase because of that. Both sites say the death rate has gone down with better testing and medical technology.
Death rate is down.
Cancer Statistics
In the United States, the overall cancer death rate has declined since the early 1990s. The most recent Annual Report to the Nation, released in March 2020, shows that overall cancer death rates decreased by:
- 1.8% per year among men from 2001 to 2017
- 1.4% per year among women from 2001 to 2017
- 1.4% per year among children ages 0–14 from 2013 to 2017
"As the overall cancer death rate has declined, the number of cancer survivors has increased. These trends show that progress is being made against the disease, but much work remains. Although rates of smoking, a major cause of cancer, have declined, the rates of other risk factors, such as obesity, have increased in the United States. Also, the US population is aging, and cancer rates increase with age.
Generally, cancer rates are highest in countries whose populations have the highest life expectancy, education level, and standard of living."
But this:
"In 2020, an estimated 16,850 children and adolescents ages 0 to 19 will be diagnosed with cancer and 1,730 will die of the disease."
Sucks. But it shows it will follow predictable statistical rules without influence from any supernatural source. Trying to squeeze it in would be very ad-hoc.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
No i do not say that.
Trailblazer
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Milton Platt
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okay, then how do you distinguish the good things that happen to you as result of prayer from those good things that would have happened anyway?