CG Didymus
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What is that river in Egypt? The OP and the first pages of the thread have you bringing up Baha'u'llah. What's so wrong with that? Except that you said you didn't. Okay, sure I believe you. Do you believe you?
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God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?
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Trailblazer
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But they do take on physical bodies and appear to people. God manifested Himself as Jesus and as Baha'u'lah and many others.
But God's Spirit cannot appear because you cannot see Spirit. Logic 101.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
So why bring it up? There are no "Scriptures" written by a Messenger of God except from the Bab and Baha'u'llah so there is no reason to believe that they came from God. Logic 101.
What those quotes say is that God only does what God WANTS and CHOOSES to do, so if God does not want to or chooses not to appear God won't appear, even if He could appear.
Any "method of delivery" that fails to take into account the intended recipients is a flawed method.
Trailblazer
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That does not mean anything unless you give me examples.
Trailblazer
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I did not say that, you said that. What I mean by not caring is the following: If your hearer respond, he will have responded to his own behoof, and if not, turn ye away from him, and set your faces towards God’s sacred Court, the seat of resplendent holiness.
By those standards, I should have walked away from this thread a long time ago rather than continuing to care.
“Say: Teach ye the Cause of God, O people of Bahá, for God hath prescribed unto every one the duty of proclaiming His Message, and regardeth it as the most meritorious of all deeds. Such a deed is acceptable only when he that teacheth the Cause is already a firm believer in God, the Supreme Protector, the Gracious, the Almighty. He hath, moreover, ordained that His Cause be taught through the power of men’s utterance, and not through resort to violence. Thus hath His ordinance been sent down from the Kingdom of Him Who is the Most Exalted, the All-Wise. Beware lest ye contend with any one, nay, strive to make him aware of the truth with kindly manner and most convincing exhortation. If your hearer respond, he will have responded to his own behoof, and if not, turn ye away from him, and set your faces towards God’s sacred Court, the seat of resplendent holiness.
Dispute not with any one concerning the things of this world and its affairs, for God hath abandoned them to such as have set their affection upon them. Out of the whole world He hath chosen for Himself the hearts of men—hearts which the hosts of revelation and of utterance can subdue. Thus hath it been ordained by the Fingers of Bahá, upon the Tablet of God’s irrevocable decree, by the behest of Him Who is the Supreme Ordainer, the All-Knowing.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 278-279
Trailblazer
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The Method does take them into account.
Trailblazer
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I never denied that I talked about Baha'u'llah as part of the discussion. I had to in order to respond to the posts.
But if everyone stops talking about Baha'u'llah right now, you won't see me saying anything about Baha'u'llah...
Can you do it? Can you make everyone else do it?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is only a flaw from your perspective. From God's perspective, it was intentional because that is how God separates the wheat from the chaff.
As I have been trying to tell you, an omnipotent God can CHOOSE to do whatever it wants to do. Obviously, the omnipotent God has chosen not make the scriptures as obvious as you want them to be such that everyone would know exactly what they mean.
The proverbial phrase "separate the wheat from the chaff" may not be terribly meaningful to you — unless you happen to be a grain farmer. The chaff is the husk surrounding a seed, the part of the grain that is generally thrown away.
chaff - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
God , like a good farmer, knows how to separate the wheat from the chaff. The wheat figures our what the scriptures mean, the hidden meanings. The chaff complains and blames God because they cannot understand.
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 13:29-30 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Trailblazer
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Because God wants everyone to use their free will to become what they will become.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
You ALWAYS resort to all kinds of AVOIDANCE tactics when you cannot back up your false claims. Like editing out everything you cannot face, then using a straw man "reply" and trying to turn it around by falsely accusing me of a straw man argument.
But as everyone reading can go back and see, there is nothing specific in your ‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s "foretelling" that even speaks of any such "foretelling" of the current events in America, or even "foretelling" ANYTHING that will happen in the future, ANYWHERE. And so you AVOID all that with your usual AVOIDANCE.
Now if you had any such "truth" you would RUSH to try proving me "wrong", but you cannot because you have no such "truth".
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Ha, ha, ha... Everyone can read and see that is ALL you do, trying to "prove" to everyone how great your mythology is. Always falsely claiming it's the "truth" but always using all the tactics of AVOIDANCE you can think of to AVOID facing the fact that you have nothing to back up your claim.
I see no flaw. I see a creation with unlimited possibilities, that we may, with our God given free will, choose to limit.
Regards Tony
Of course CG, the issue would have nothing to do with you at all.
It must be God, the Messenger or the Baha'i.Regards Tony
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
WRONG. Because I have no reason to waste my precious time trying to prove anything to people who would NEVER believe it, people who are just playing baby games.
Then there is also this: Matthew 7:6
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I have plenty, but I don't waste it on people like you who trample it underfoot.
Matthew 7:6
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
LOL!!!
Thanks, I needed that.
Now you can go and save the link to that "foretelling" of the future, and then show it others whenever something goes badly. They will be amazed how you knew it would happen. From there you could maybe start a Bahahaha cult for Tailblazer and Dony to follow.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Heh. You and @Ancient Soul attempt the exact same "defense." Watching the two of you both try to fling it at one another is ...i'll get my popcorn.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Yes, you got NOTHING to back up your false "foretelling" claim, we already covered that many times.
ALL you had to was point out ANYTHING specific in Bahá’u’lláh’s so-called "foretelling" that had to do with THIS time period in America, and could NOT pertain to any other time period. Easy enough if it were there.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Quotes all said by a male researcher thinking non stop in scientific terms. Rather than just living naturally without thinking creation science terms.
To be rational.
Common sense, I live inside of a heavenly body, I survive if I am healthy, if the atmosphere/heavens change I can die. Life sacrificed living inside of a heavenly body.
Questions, why and what would cause it.
Science, human chosen an artificial human controlled unnatural machine reaction could.
Natural disasters owned by natural history of a planet body in the cosmos/space body.
If a human male quotes God he says stone first.....and I own bones like stone to prove I belong living as a human on the Earth. Yet he also quotes the spirit of the history of me discussing the planet are within me.
Bones as one whole spirit form/body.
Water oxygen and microbes that he claims belongs to atmospheric heavenly history. What he lives inside of. Which is not any historic string of male inferred science information to being owner of GOD.
The planet x mass is first quoted to be the entity O one and God.
What is wrong with all of your science male terms of reference as being personal controller and owner of bodies in scientific statements/languages of falsified human quoted symbolism.
Being what the human conscious medical healer teachings were about.
Not occult used or inferred falsification of information, but why life was harmed.
So as a human male has to be living as a human to gain or identify that self life mind and body functions were changed....then he claims to be a Messenger, yet he is first and ONLY just a human bio life. Whose parents had sex to allow his life to be living.
He is not the first human being male memory scientist. Nor is he owner of I am a special male life sacrificed spiritual advice, life must be saved idealist either as an argument against occult/Satanic science.
Being the actual Jesus life inferred medical Healer biological advice/review/warnings....as scientific male human chosen probable Earth causes.
Which were prophetic in context to the wait and see information of the cross of the 4 change of the sea of the son. When life did get sacrificed itself by the planet reaction....as scientific proof that you did not control the Earth mass or body in a machine conversion.
So today in modern day male nuclear conditions, he claims I am more intelligent than my past Temple pyramid science brothers who caused the ground fission on the ground in Nature as a nuclear God blasting event. I control the cooling mechanism for that nuclear reaction...so then the Earth mass does not release as much radiation as it did in the past.
Idealised his thesis science....do not name the planet either of male or female human terms for symbolic information would be telling lies. Why he quoted that science/Satanism terms of the past were all liars. How he scientific came about quoting that religious science idealism is not intelligent.
Yet original science human claim is about I own everything including the bodies of mass....why the science teaching quotes...NO MAN IS GOD. For that very greedy elite want of one human brother control organization and also coerce commerce to be a one of held maintained human brother group. Always was just about human greed and group cult mentality.
Jesus as a real quote of self teaching said one man stood alone to argue against Satanism...the sciences as owned by all community world leadership male groups...the A GREED term.
Quoting as a single self male in self proof that you Satanic occult science organization were destroying human life, to produce the Revelations of the Earth heavenly Christ gases being heated up. When spatial natural Mother womb history had cooled them.
Seeing methane when it comes out of the Earth mass is hot, by radiation release, gets heated up as a cooled gas in the heavenly body. For any gas on one side is naturally cooled and in its destruction becomes heated and destroyed.
The relativity of the spoken known advice 2 sides of the equation + addition.
For a positive also owns historically a negative as a statement of balances.
So the symbolism in science + addition is first pondered in a cold atmospheric life support as natural advice...then machine idealism is to heat/convert and destroy.
Why males historically in the sciences were proven evil. For the machine although designed by thinking owns no volition, is not active in any reaction.
All the thesis/theories done by a higher conscious natural living life thinking cosmological, natural and cold and atmospheric being natural and cold.
And yet the intent, reaction is not natural and cold. Why you were all told you were liars.
So the nuclear power plant model did not sacrifice life as evilly as the Temple and pyramid nuclear radiation/radio wave had, but we still are dying from mutative/early age radiation caused deaths anyway.
Jesus proved in the past that medical biological life destruction was correctly advised....to then see and review that the Earth as the O God body owned naturally the destruction of life. As actively reviewed. Yet science never stopped, rebuilt the Temple and used it due to elite greed.
Up until the moment when they all agreed, which involved a God war attack on many and multi countries. Was when the Temple/pyramid science use was stopped completely. The less of the son life learnt after Rome tried to over rule and stop the science, but as said, were already told that they were hypocrites as being users of the same technology.
So since when would any other countries brother agree with Rome?
That male/community world agreement came much later when life got sacrificed attacked once again.
You ask a male in science, how many experiments do you allow yourself to achieve before you claim in science that you are wrong? How much destruction has to occur before you come to that male world community agreement?
The Bahai information only proves to science that the Earth and the cosmos owned the life attack/sacrifice and it was not a scientific model about human life interacting physical spiritual self removal for a machine reaction. Yet today that is how the information is researched and applied. As if life is a scientific model, only because science knows that life gets sacrificed. So does the body/mass of the Earth O get sacrificed.
So if you keep quoting self as a male is a GOD then the Earth body mass is sacrificed, with you claiming it is your human male bio body.
Why modern science tried to teach ancient scientists that their symbolism and self inference is fake. How you get us destroyed by pretending that you personally are a superior being and life power as a Son of God...when the atmospheric gas mass body belonged to Earth and it is the term/statement sacrificed gas spirit to own natural light. And in a Satanic cause, sacrificed gas light x mass increases and then falls out.
How we get burnt to death by atmospheric gas mass fallout for the gases were hot originally in the beginning of the formation of the Earth heavenly body mass....and it is how science burnt us all to death before.
Actually.
Therefore 2 forms of male human science conscious subliminal memories exist, with the argument against science itself. The Bahai quote is see the information occurred even without science being practiced. Proving that the life of humans can be attacked/sacrificed and changed without science machines.
So if you apply a new science/machine God Earth conversion the life sacrificed increases greatly.
Seeing planet Earth owned all attacks/conversion on its body/form itself as a planet first without a male quoting as a human a storytelling thesis. For he does not and never did speak on behalf of natural bodies existing in the cosmos, yet his human ego says otherwise.
Trailblazer
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Don't get too much popcorn, the movie won't last that long....Heh. You and @Ancient Soul attempt the exact same "defense." Watching the two of you both try to fling it at one another is ...i'll get my popcorn.
But this thread might so maybe you had better get a big bag.
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