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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
One problem I have with the theory of evolution is the continued use of statistics instead of pure reason and math logic. Statistics has a watered down criteria of acceptability, compared to rational theory.

In a rational theory, like Newtonian Gravity, all observed non relativistic data points have to touch the curve. If a few are missing, such as were relativistic data points, a new theory had to be created.

In statistics, it is about probability with margins of error, meaning the curve does not have to touch all the data points to still be called acceptable. Such watered down criteria of science can cheat using statistical semantics and its looser standards. If Newton could have used statistical arguments, the Relativistic models of gravity could have been avoided. This would have been bad for science.

The other problem is the term finite probability of something occurring. This is similar to a miracle. This event can defy all rational explanations; first life, yet still be used because it is protected based on semantics. How did the first life appear on earth? Evolution gets to use a miracle with finite odds and not be called religion.

Could anyone in science define evolution without any fudge factors of statistics? In other words, if we took away all traces of statistical analysis, would there be any†hing left? The needed change would require a rational analysis that can make accurate predictions and explain things without any self serving fudge factors, that ignores any inaccuracies.

I am a scientist who prefers the rational approach. This is much harder to do than the water down standards which everyone seems to prefer. I am not anti-science but I am anti watered down science.

If you look at the Corona virus, the percent of people who catch it are a small fraction of all people. Those who die are a small percent of that subset. Yet this can be spun too make people hysterical instead of rational. This is due to the cheating of statistics and the lack of reason involved in the nature of statistical reality. In this case, a possible negative miracle becomes a possible bogeyman. This is pre-age of reason.

If we apply the rational theory standard to evolution, and I can show any data points that do not fit, then the theory has to be revised. Every debate on evolution reveals new data points that do not apply and which would require an update in rational science. This is held back based on the watered down standard.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If that were true, then history, math, philosophy, cooking classes, sports statistics, rules to chess, etc., would all be considered science. So, no.

Science is a "method" for coming to conclusions... Science was *used* to discover evolution, but evolution itself is not science.
Read my post again. Slower.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Knowledge is things we "know".
It is a tautology. What is "to know"?

What is knowledge?
Knowledge is what we know.
What means "to know"?
To know is to have knowledge.
The way out of tautology:
Knowledge is the name of God.
The spirit of knowledge is God.
Thus, the God must exist as the knowledge exists.
Thus, because God is knowledge, the God knows all, He is Omniscient Being.

Omniscient Being knows that Omniscient Being exists, thus if one gets to know all, he gets to know God. "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." 1 Corinthians 15:34
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
It is a matter of the right definition:

False is all, that goes against God. False is all that is not true. Not true to God. Not truthful to God-
Thus, scientific Evolutionism is false doctrine.
In other words ... make up your own definition :facepalm:

Can I do that too?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Belief in a literal interpretation of a creation myth is not a prerequisite for belief in a god.
Yet, most god stories do begin with or include a creation story. If the creation story is wrong, why put any faith into what comes thereafter?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
No it's not... How do you figure that evolution is "science"..?

...Evolution is knowledge.
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In the case of evolution, knowledge is acquired following certain principles.

When knowledge is acquired following certain principles, it is called science.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Yet, most god stories do begin with or include a creation story. If the creation story is wrong, why put any faith into what comes thereafter?

There is a book entitled "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter." We know that there are no vampires, therefore Abraham Lincoln didn't exist.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
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In the case of evolution, knowledge is acquired following certain principles.

When knowledge is acquired following certain principles, it is called science.

So it would be the theory of evolution rather than evolution itself, right? Since the former explains the latter?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
No religion teaches to murder people.
Once again, an atheist has to teach a Christian about Christian Holy Scripture...

13And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Murder and Rape/Slavery
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
It was done extensively in history. And these people were not simple simpletons.

Maybe they weren't simpletons by your standards. More enlightened forms of thinking might be able to see various systems at work, none deserving dismantling, but rather tolerance of the other... like siblings, there doesn't need to be just one child.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Science is anti-religious.
But I'll bet you believe in science:
  • When you or a loved one get on an airplane.
  • When you or a loved one needs a coronary bypass.
  • When you or a loved one turns on the lights or uses a computer.

What you really mean is that when science disagrees with your interpretation of scripture, then science is anti-religious

Religion should have nothing in common with Science.

It shouldn't and it doesn't.

There shall be Natural Theology as the Godly way of nature study.

You can look at the beauty of nature all you want to. I look at the beauty of nature all I want to.
Our looking doesn't explain why the spots on goats are, or are not, due to the type of wood in a fence.
Our looking doesn't explain why acorns turn into oak trees.
Our looking doesn't explain when the next hurricane is going to come.

That kind of knowledge requires education into the science of things.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
One problem I have with the theory of evolution is the continued use of statistics instead of pure reason and math logic.

That is not a factual statement.

The other problem is the term finite probability of something occurring. This is similar to a miracle.

YOU are the result of one in 100,000,000 sperm from your father impregnating your mother's egg.

YOUR FATHER is the result of one in 100,000,000 sperm from his father impregnating his mother's egg.

In just two generations, the odds against YOU existing are really tiny. Would you care to calculate the odds going back to the time of Noah? Are you a miracle? Am I?


This event can defy all rational explanations; first life, yet still be used because it is protected based on semantics. How did the first life appear on earth?
We don't yet know the specifics. One problem is there is no clearly defined line differentiating life from non-life.


Could anyone in science define evolution without any fudge factors of statistics?

There are many definitions - all similar. I didn't see any that used statistics. Perhaps you can show one.
 
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