I'm suggesting that God created the universe and the earth to certain specifications (
Genesis 1:1). He then created celestial beings (angels) with abilities and powers to create.
So you are saying that angels (celestial beings) were created after the earthly creation was completed and that these were given creative power?
Where will I find that in the scriptures?
If this is your opinion, then without backup its not worth much...is it?
I could refer you to Job 38:3-9... from the Tanakh...where God says to Job...
"Now gird your loins like a man, and I will ask you and [you] tell Me. גאֱזָר־נָ֣א כְגֶ֣בֶר חֲלָצֶ֑יךָ וְ֜אֶשְׁאָֽלְךָ֗ וְהֽוֹדִיעֵֽנִי:
4 Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell if you know understanding. דאֵיפֹ֣ה הָ֖יִיתָ בְּיָסְדִי־אָ֑רֶץ הַ֜גֵּ֗ד אִם־יָדַ֥עְתָּ בִינָֽה:
5 Who placed its measures if you know, or who extended a line over it? המִי־שָׂ֣ם מְ֖מַדֶּיהָ כִּ֣י תֵדָ֑ע א֚וֹ מִֽי־נָטָ֖ה עָלֶ֣יהָ קָּֽו:
6 On what were its sockets sunk, or who laid its cornerstone? ועַל־מָ֖ה אֲדָנֶ֣יהָ הָטְבָּ֑עוּ א֥וֹ מִֽי־יָֽ֜רָ֗ה אֶ֣בֶן פִּנָּתָֽהּ:
7 When the morning stars sing together, and all the angels of God shout? זבְּרָן־יַ֖חַד כּ֣וֹכְבֵי בֹ֑קֶר וַ֜יָּרִ֗יעוּ כָּל־בְּנֵ֥י אֱלֹהִֽים:
8 And [who] shut up the sea with doors when it broke forth and issued out of the womb? חוַיָּ֣סֶךְ בִּדְלָתַ֣יִם יָ֑ם בְּ֜גִיח֗וֹ מֵרֶ֥חֶם יֵצֵֽא:
9 When I made the cloud its raiment and the dark cloud its wrapping? טבְּשׂוּמִ֣י עָנָ֣ן לְבֻשׁ֑וֹ וַֽ֜עֲרָפֶ֗ל חֲתֻלָּתֽוֹ"
Here was God asking Job what he knew about creation? When God founded the earth, according to Genesis 1:1 at the same time that he created the universe, the angels were shouting in what was apparently praise and excitement at what God had accomplished. It seems as if the angels are intensely interested in what is going on down here, especially now because it involves them, thanks to the actions of one of their own. (1 Peter 1:12)
It also brings out the point that God "made the clouds its raiment" and "wrapped it in dark clouds"...hence the "darkness upon the surface of the watery deep" mentioned in Genesis 1:2.
Its always a good idea to allow scripture to interpret other scripture....it does if you give it a chance.
They also would inhabit this universe. He (God) assigned them to beautify what was created, under supplied guidelines.
Actually, it was the humans that God assigned to beautify the earth if you notice in the mandate to "fill the earth" with their kind was also the instruction to "subdue" the earth...most likely because outside the garden of Eden was pretty much an untouched wilderness. By giving the humans an assignment like that, he would have kept them pretty busy for quite some time. They were designed for work and with God's eye for beauty and creativity, they had the garden as a blueprint for what the rest of the earth was to become....what an amazing prospect! The whole earth like the garden of Eden!.....but someone messed it up.
Their creativity was to be reflected without supernatural powers...they were mortals who didn't need them for the assignment they were given. Satisfying work and unending life, with no sickness, suffering or death.....who could ask for more?
Unfortunately, some (about a third) refused to follow these guidelines and did what pleased themselves, not God. This resulted in God (or other celestial beings) destroying the work that some foolishly created.
You seem to have that a bit muddled up. After satan's rebellion, God handed rulership of the world over to the one who thought he could be a god to the newly created humans. (Luke 4:5-8) God did not destroy the rebels straight away because that would have only proven that he was more powerful....satan never challenged God's power...he challenged his Sovereignty...his right to set the limits of human freedom.
Satan managed to get some of his fellow angels on board and they turned themselves into the demons that have plagued mankind ever since. Only up to the time of the flood did they have the ability to materialize, which is the reason why God had to intervene in such a dramatic way by flooding the world and eliminating their freakish offspring from existence and to make sure that their demon fathers returned to the spirit realm where God dealt with them. Their materialized bodies would have perished with their monstrous children, so they were force to dematerialize and face the music......but God was not finished with them just yet. He will finish what he started. (Isaiah 55:11)
As far as, relating to the earth, the disobedience was so great that it resulted in what's referenced in
Genesis 1:2 and can also refer to the other planets in our solar system…So yes, I'm proposing that life (both celestial and physical) existed on the planet earth and other planets, before human beings were created and before the six days of renewal, of the planet earth.
How does that fit in with the reason why Christ came to ransom the human race with his own life?
There had to be a starting point in God's purpose for material creation. This eternal Being who has existed as long as eternity, came to a point where he determined to become a Creator. The Bible is his instruction manual for humankind to reveal what happened at the beginning and how he restores what was lost. His very first creation was his "firstborn" son...his "only begotten". The son was then used as the agency for all other creation, in heaven and on earth. (Colossians 1:15-17) The things in heaven came first.
I am supposing that you might at least read the Bible to back up your statements.....? But it appears that you don't really know much about what written in there that argues with your ideas.
Therefore, the word "was" (in Gen.1:2) cannot correctly reference the condition of the planet earth at creation, as many believe. Because, the gap of time between
Genesis 1:1 and the condition in
Genesis 1:2, must be referenced as become or became, not was. Hence, using the word "was" implies that God created the earth in such a condition and this just isn't truth. So, please supply the bible verses that you feel disagree with this position.
As
@Jayhawker Soule has shown you....you are dead wrong about that word "was".....who told you that it was to be translated that way? Which translation fits the rest of scripture?
The Earth was at first "formless and waste" because God had not yet prepared it for life. The early creative periods were about that preparation. God's crowning achievement was the creation of man at the end of the 6th "day".....those whom he would assign as caretakers for his creation. After their creation, God expressed his great satisfaction with all that he had done.
Note: This posting is my personal belief/opinion and should only be understood in that context.
Yes, we know....but if you want to debate something, at least have something substantial to back up what you say....
