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God does not answer prayers

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BlueSky95

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KenS said:
They, if you studied, you would know that it wasn't that God doesn't answer prayers. You look at the results of that paralyzed person and assume that it was God who did not answer and yet you don't even know all the nuances to the situation. You don't know their heart, you don't know what they are thinking.

What we do know is that Jesus DID want to heal in his hometown but couldn't but you want better results than Him?

So, if that is what you learned, you learned something that John would be in agreement with.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

So, I have learned that Romans 3: What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? 4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, NASB



I have no idea about the mother as neither do you. We don't know how she prayed, what she believed, was she taught wrong, why the child died and went to a better place, etc. But we do know that Jesus bore our pains and carried our sicknesses. We do know that God wants all to be saved, did all He could to provide salvation to everyone yet people still don't want it and deny what He did. God's fault? I don't think so.

You create your own destiny. Yes faith is one of many components. but as you noted... it wasn't God that failed to do miracles, it was man.

So God does answer prayers... man messes it up.
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Well, that paralyzed person is an orphan child and was hit by a car when she was around 16 years old, now she is more than 20 and she is still paralyzed, as if life was not hard enough for her, she also had to end up being paralyzed, there's was no wrong from her part, she was just a girl, on a rainy day going to school.

As I said, faith is the main ingredient of prayers being answered! You know, otherwise, Jesus, the Christ, would have not said this - Your faith has saved you!

Ohh.. but I do have an idea and I know very well what I am saying... You see, this is what it happens when people think God does not answer their prayers, they say, it's God's fault, more problems than solution, I say from the early beginning, God does not answer prayers at all, your faith is the one who manifests the answer through God's power.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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Amanaki said:
We as human beings can not know why God take, and we can not know why God give to others. But we can only do our best to apply Gods teaching in to our life. Then we might understand Gods way of doing things.
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Yes... apply God's teaching in our lives is the key.

Caveat... "God takes and gives to others" is a derivative of what Job said and not what God said

What it does say is Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

In the Amplified, it says it this
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For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable [for He does not withdraw what He has given, nor does He change His mind about those to whom He gives His grace or to whom He sends His call].
 
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BlueSky95

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SalixIncendium said:
Perhaps there is a reason larger than you or the parent that children die. Or maybe there's a reason larger than you or the people who landed the dream jobs land them.

Perhaps there is something that dictates these experiences were necessary to the child, the parent, and the person who landed the job.
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Perhaps, this is why I also added the idea of having a life path, something like a destiny, where you do act the way you wish but you also have to go through some things that are already laid down for you or other people to experience.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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BlueSky95 said:
Well, that paralyzed person is an orphan child and was hit by a car when she was around 16 years old, now she is more than 20 and she is still paralyzed, as if life was not hard enough for her, she also had to end up being paralyzed, there's was no wrong from her part, she was just a girl, on a rainy day going to school.

As I said, faith is the main ingredient of prayers being answered! You know, otherwise, Jesus, the Christ, would have not said this - Your faith has saved you!

Ohh.. but I do have an idea and I know very well what I am saying... You see, this is what it happens when people think God does not answer their prayers, they say, it's God's fault, more problems than solution, I say from the early beginning, God does not answer prayers at all, your faith is the one who manifests the answer through God's power.
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OK.... it didn't come out that clear. But I still can't quite agree:

Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Did the father of the child have faith?
 
Kenny

Kenny

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BlueSky95 said:
Well, that paralyzed person is an orphan child and was hit by a car when she was around 16 years old, now she is more than 20 and she is still paralyzed, as if life was not hard enough for her, she also had to end up being paralyzed, there's was no wrong from her part, she was just a girl, on a rainy day going to school.
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4 years certainly doesn't equate to not answering prayers. Certainly 25 years doesn't equal to God not answering prayers.

Yes, bad things happen to good people because we live in a fallen world, but God still answers prayers.
 
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BlueSky95

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KenS said:
OK.... it didn't come out that clear. But I still can't quite agree:

Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Did the father of the child have faith?
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My prayer was sincere, I am a nobody, I asked for no recognition, she has no idea that I exist, probably she also has mental deficiencies and is not fully conscious, found her story some two years ago in the news and from that moment I kept coming back to her and praying for her, nothing changed. This is just one person, I prayed for many other.

I know very well that part from Mark..

She is an orphan, no father, no mother, the left her, she was living with adoptive parents, she is also today with them, one case from the millions all around the world, God does nothing for them because the God in whom most people believe is only an idea...
 
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BlueSky95

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KenS said:
4 years certainly doesn't equate to not answering prayers. Certainly 25 years doesn't equal to God not answering prayers.

Yes, bad things happen to good people because we live in a fallen world, but God still answers prayers.
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Only a day to be paralyzed is a horrible nightmare, 4 years is the deepest hell of all hells.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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BlueSky95 said:
Only a day to be paralyzed is a horrible nightmare, 4 years is the deepest hell of all hells.
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No doubt! And our hearts should connect with compassion and empathy.... now the question is, where do we go from here. What did Jesus do when he could not do miracles?
 
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BlueSky95

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KenS said:
No doubt! And our hearts should connect with compassion and empathy.... now the question is, where do we go from here. What did Jesus do when he could not do miracles?
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Where do we go? Religion is not the answer, I tried this for years and years, there's truth in religion but it's shaped in such a way that it enslaves the minds of men than to free them...
 
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DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan

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BlueSky95 said:
God has never answered prayers and will never answer prayers, why so? Ask yourself this, how does God decide to answer prayers?

Here we have a mother who prays day and night for her child that has cancer and eventually, the child dies, every day thousands upon thousands children die from horrible diseases. Here we have a young man who prays for finding a good job and he finds his dream job, giving thanks that his prayer was answered, I've read so many testimonies about this. Now, from time to time, we have testimonies of miraculous healings, but ask yourself, why there are so few and not more? This should ring a bell!

It is not God who answer prayers, from my own research, there are two main things when it comes to prayers - your faith and your life journey.

Remember what Jesus used to say to those who healed them? Your faith has saved you!

A question arises, where is God in this equation of prayers? God is the power that manifests the answer to your prayer but the answer does not come from God, it comes from your faith and your life journey. If you have faith and this is part of your life journey, then there's nothing to stop your prayers from being answered.

I am still not sure of the last thing, the life journey, because in my belief, we decide our life journey each moment.
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God is credited with answering many prayers while being called by many different names across the world and history. I have personally experienced events where it seems such as well, that one requests something of God and the thing then is brought into existence as an experience that occurs and including low probability elements which make it appear unlikely and miraculous, and I've heard numerous accounts of such as well, and also including stories where people had no belief or faith that it would ever work but took a chance anyway. I have also heard many stories about people who pray or ask for things and don't receive them, and often these stories are part of the reason why they say they quit asking for things.

Well, even if you asked a human being for something, they can do it or not do what is asked and are not typically bound to definitely doing whatever they are asked to do. How God is thought to do things is by manipulating or altering events or thinking or various little things so that a sort of butterfly effect type coordination occurs where things fall into place, but none of that is even necessary, as God can just generate the reality as occurring in an instant and without the explanation or the explanation occurring after the fact of how it came to be.
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

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KenS said:
There is a multiplicity of reasons. The other person's faith, your faith, conditions of the heart, obedience, understanding, wrong teaching, asking correctly and more... but basically it all has to do with human issues but not God's issues.
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To clarify, are you saying we should view God as a type of vending machine that will answer prayers, only when you use the correct currency? When you say, "wrong teaching", can result in God not producing a positive prayer result, are you talking about "correct beliefs", like believing in the Trinity, (or not believing in it)? And when you say "asking correctly", is there some magic words that work, and others that don't? What is the "correct" way to ask? Is there a formula to follow?

Please clarify, as these were teachings which never really computed for me as a Christian. It gave the impression God was like some sort of gumball machine, that would only take American nickels, not Canadian ones.
 
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BlueSky95

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The Artis Magistra said:
God is credited with answering many prayers while being called by many different names across the world and history. I have personally experienced events where it seems such as well, that one requests something of God and the thing then is brought into existence as an experience that occurs and including low probability elements which make it appear unlikely and miraculous, and I've heard numerous accounts of such as well, and also including stories where people had no belief or faith that it would ever work but took a chance anyway. I have also heard many stories about people who pray or ask for things and don't receive them, and often these stories are part of the reason why they say they quit asking for things.

Well, even if you asked a human being for something, they can do it or not do what is asked and are not typically bound to definitely doing whatever they are asked to do. How God is thought to do things is by manipulating or altering events or thinking or various little things so that a sort of butterfly effect type coordination occurs where things fall into place, but none of that is even necessary, as God can just generate the reality as occurring in an instant and without the explanation or the explanation occurring after the fact of how it came to be.
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I already said this, two things, faith and a life path, something like a destiny.. otherwise, we have a God that does a very poor job at answering prayers, while many from all around the world talk about how God helps them with their day to day problems, there are also those who receive no help, you know, like this mother who prayed for her children to be healed from cancer and her child died.
 
PureX

PureX

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BlueSky95 said:
The answers sure there are but one has to be aware of them and in order to be aware of them you must first stop judging reality based on your own fabricated or adopted belief systems and this not an easy thing to do.
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Amen to that. It is not easy for we humans to do that. We want God to serve us. And that is not how it is. So we become frustrated and disappointed and sometimes quite crazy in the face of this rejection. We kill ourselves and each other trying to make the world serve us, as if we were it's owner, creator, and judge, not God. And then we get angry at God when this blows up in our faces, as it always does.

We need to humble ourselves, and choose to trust in the benevolence of God, even when we can't see it. And that's very difficult for us to do.
 
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BlueSky95

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Windwalker said:
To clarify, are you saying we should view God as a type of vending machine that will answer prayers, only when you use the correct currency? When you say, "wrong teaching", can result in God not producing a positive prayer result, are you talking about "correct beliefs", like believing in the Trinity, (or not believing in it)? And when you say "asking correctly", is there some magic words that work, and others that don't? What is the "correct" way to ask? Is there a formula to follow?
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Questions are good, they open people's minds.
 
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BlueSky95

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PureX said:
Amen to that. It is not easy for we humans to do that. We want God to serve us. And that is not how it is. So we become frustrated and disappointed and sometimes quite crazy in the face of this rejection. We kill ourselves and each other trying to make the world serve us, as if we were it's owner, creator, and judge, not God. And then we get angry at God when this blows up in our faces, as it always does.

We need to humble ourselves, and choose to trust in the benevolence of God, even when we can't see it. And that's very difficult for us to do.
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I took me some years to learn this, most of us don't believe in God, which can not be defined by human words and concepts, we believe in that which can be defined with human words and concepts, ideas of God! That God is this or that, that God favours this or that, that God hates this and and loves that... that God is jelous, that God takes revange... all of these being human traits... 2000 years later and humanity has not really evolved to a higher state of mind..
 
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