Astrolatry anyone?

I'm noticing most religions directly or indirectly point to astrolatry. What do you think about worshipping celestial bodies? Is that your path? Any experiences you can share about it?

I don't mean old Greek, Roman or Indian (Navaratra) gods. I mean direct worship of the spirit of every planet; for example lighting a blue candle to Jupiter on Thursdays, etc.

A few days back I've tried putting photos of the 7 classical planets on my altar, but I couldn't sleep. Couldn't regulate the energy. I wonder what would happen with symbols instead of photos.

I had not ever heard of astrolatry before this thread. It's not my path.

agorman said:

I'm noticing most religions directly or indirectly point to astrolatry.

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I think it dumb and idolatrous.

Jayhawker Soule said:

I think it dumb and idolatrous.

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Ēl is called again and again Tôru ‘Ēl ("Bull Ēl" or "the bull god"). He is bātnyu binwāti ("Creator of creatures"), ’abū banī ’ili ("father of the gods"), and ‘abū ‘adami ("father of man"). He is qāniyunu ‘ôlam ("creator eternal"), the epithet ‘ôlam appearing in Hebrew form in the Hebrew name of God ’ēl ‘ôlam "God Eternal" in Genesis 21.33. He is ḥātikuka ("your patriarch"). Ēl is the grey-bearded ancient one, full of wisdom, malku ("King"), ’abū šamīma ("Father of years"), ’El gibbōr ("Ēl the warrior"). He is also named lṭpn of unknown meaning, variously rendered as Latpan, Latipan, or Lutpani ("shroud-face" by Strong's Hebrew Concordance).

"El" (Father of Heaven / Saturn) and his major son: "Hadad" (Father of Earth / Jupiter), are symbolized both by the bull, and both wear bull horns on their headdresses

El (deity) - Wikipedia

According to The Oxford Companion to World Mythology,

It seems almost certain that the God of the Jews evolved gradually from the Canaanite El, who was in all likelihood the "God of Abraham"... If El was the high God of Abraham—Elohim, the prototype of Yahveh—Asherah was his wife, and there are archaeological indications that she was perceived as such before she was in effect "divorced" in the context of emerging Judaism of the 7th century BCE.

(same Wikipedia article in the Hebrew section)

Sorry man, but I think you're worshipping Saturn. Whether you need to use idols or not as a worshipping tool, it's up to you.

Hey, but who knows, maybe Saturn is just another aspect of the same Demiurge that is the spirit of the Sun, Jupiter, etc... The sephirot are also associated to the planets. Gods can be complex (just look at all the avatars of Vishnu).

agorman said:

I'm noticing most religions directly or indirectly point to astrolatry. What do you think about worshipping celestial bodies? Is that your path? Any experiences you can share about it?

I don't mean old Greek, Roman or Indian (Navaratra) gods. I mean direct worship of the spirit of every planet; for example lighting a blue candle to Jupiter on Thursdays, etc.

A few days back I've tried putting photos of the 7 classical planets on my altar, but I couldn't sleep. Couldn't regulate the energy. I wonder what would happen with symbols instead of photos.

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Hi,
Astrology was a predominan facet of Babylonian worship. The predictions based on the zodiac (of the time) by Astrologers, however, did not save Babylon from destruction, as the prophet Isaiah had forewarned.(Isa 4712:15)
King Josiah of Judah put out of business the foreign-god priests who made sacrificial smoke on the high places to the moon and to the constellations of the zodiac and to all the army of the heavens in the cities of Judah.

It is to be noted that the signs of the zodiac today no longer coincide with the constellations after which they were originally named.
It was not until the second century BCE that a Greek astronomer divided the zodiac into 12 equal parts. The zodiacal constellations were made objets of false worship (from Biblical point of view) since Jehovah God long before had prohibited such star worship on penalty of death.(Deut 17:2), this prohibition is still in effect, if not the direct consequences of breaking this law.

Cheers.

Well...the moon is the symbol of the eternal feminine...in the Mediterranean cultures.
A goddess that guides women...do not forget that the menstrual cycle is not that distant from a moon cycle, temporally speaking.

So it is a mystery to me, how in Germanic cultures the moon is a male....

Last August I saw Venus...she was so bright that I took a pic

Neuropteron said:

Jehovah God long before had prohibited such star worship on penalty of death.(Deut 17:2), this prohibition is still in effect, if not the direct consequences of breaking this law.

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Oh but I'm not Jewish and I'm not baptized.

BTW, I find it hard to believe that El/Saturn would prohibit the worship of other celestial bodies. And the OT also says a man was killed just because he collected sticks on a Saturday (Numbers 15:32-36), so... I don't think that book should be taken very seriously.

Estro Felino said:

Well...the moon is the symbol of the eternal feminine...in the Mediterranean cultures.
A goddess that guides women...do not forget that the menstrual cycle is not that distant from a moon cycle, temporally speaking.

So it is a mystery to me, how in Germanic cultures the moon is a male....

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I always felt the idea of the moon being masculine/sun being feminine resonated for me more. Its possible one's feelings on the subject relates to their outlook on what is feminine, and what is masculine.

JustGeorge said:

I always felt the idea of the moon being masculine/sun being feminine resonated for me more. Its possible one's feelings on the subject relates to their outlook on what is feminine, and what is masculine.

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Well Hinduism is special; in it both the Sun (Surya) and the Moon (Chandra) are masculine.

But I tend to think more as the mediterraneans; Sun = male, Moon = female. Although I think nobody's "right" on this.

agorman said:

I'm noticing most religions directly or indirectly point to astrolatry. What do you think about worshipping celestial bodies? Is that your path? Any experiences you can share about it?

I don't mean old Greek, Roman or Indian (Navaratra) gods. I mean direct worship of the spirit of every planet; for example lighting a blue candle to Jupiter on Thursdays, etc.

A few days back I've tried putting photos of the 7 classical planets on my altar, but I couldn't sleep. Couldn't regulate the energy. I wonder what would happen with symbols instead of photos.

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Well, Jupiter and co. originally are gods.

Sunday is the day for worshipping the Sun (or Christ, who replaced the sun god)
Monday, the Moon, or French lundi from luna.
Tuesday, mardi, Mars.
Wednesday, mercredi, Mercury.
Thurday, Thor, or Jupiter (Jovis) - jeudi
Friday, Freya, or vendredi, Venus
Saturday, samedi, Saturn.

I actually tried practicing magic/astrolatry, for example lighting a blue candle for Jupiter on Thursday, but I soon found it constricting. If you wanted something from a specific god, you had to wait until his day was there.

agorman said:

Oh but I'm not Jewish and I'm not baptized.

BTW, I find it hard to believe that El/Saturn would prohibit the worship of other celestial bodies. And the OT also says a man was killed just because he collected sticks on a Saturday (Numbers 15:32-36), so... I don't think that book should be taken very seriously.

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It makes more sense to worship planets of the solar system, which can all be seen, than to worship jehovah, which is unseen and 'beyond understanding'.

given that the entire language came from the stars, and the entire bible, indeed all sacred writings come from the celestial story {in the heavens} which was calculated and reckoned to determine seasons and cycles [heavenly arts].... just having a calendar was a major deal back in those days, which took the concerted efforts of the wisest people in the kingdom and legions of scribes to keep it going.....
without a calendar, no kingdom....so these matters were the stuff kings were concerned with
and the religious caste was responsible for depicting the heavenly story for the lowly people, to give them purpose and direction in their otherwise pointless and savage life.

to claim that any of the mainstream religions are anything else other than pure astrotheology is evidence as to how far the self-deception has progressed in our species.interesting to note which of the letters get their feet wet in the river [so to speak]

JustGeorge said:

I always felt the idea of the moon being masculine/sun being feminine resonated for me more. Its possible one's feelings on the subject relates to their outlook on what is feminine, and what is masculine.

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I fully agree.

agorman said:

I'm noticing most religions directly or indirectly point to astrolatry. What do you think about worshipping celestial bodies? Is that your path? Any experiences you can share about it?

I don't mean old Greek, Roman or Indian (Navaratra) gods. I mean direct worship of the spirit of every planet; for example lighting a blue candle to Jupiter on Thursdays, etc.

A few days back I've tried putting photos of the 7 classical planets on my altar, but I couldn't sleep. Couldn't regulate the energy. I wonder what would happen with symbols instead of photos.

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What makes you think most religions "point to" worship of celestial bodies? It does not seem obvious that this is the case.

agorman said:

Sorry man, but I think you're worshipping Saturn.

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That simply informs us as to the quality of your thinking but, while I'm mildly sorry for you, I'm not particularly interested.

Sirona said:

...If you wanted something from a specific god, you had to wait until his day was there.

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Why? Is it too far to hear you, if wrong day? Or do they just have better work times than humans?

Sirona said:

Well, Jupiter and co. originally are gods.

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Yes, I'm just wondering if I could relate to those gods without the filter of cultures and myths. Even if they come to me in dreams, in humanoid, Greek shapes.

I'd be worried about Jupiter though. He came to me once in a dream as an eagle with a man's head and asked politely if I would renounce to my free will in order to become a better servant of him. I said "no!" and he got angry. Then I woke up. I always wonder if that was really Jupiter or simply some astral demon.

Sirona said:

Sunday is the day for worshipping the Sun (or Christ, who replaced the sun god)

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I believe Christ is a "close teacher" aspect of the same sun god.

Sirona said:

If you wanted something from a specific god, you had to wait until his day was there.

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Not necessarily. It would be best to ask every planet in the right day, but not an obbligation. After all, who was it exactly the one who established what day corresponds to each planet? What about other planets like Uranus and Neptune that have no weekday?

Maybe that "Don't bother me on Sundays" attitude is ridiculous.

Jedster said:

It makes more sense to worship planets of the solar system, which can all be seen, than to worship jehovah, which is unseen and 'beyond understanding'.

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My thoughts exactly. I suspect the more you have to pass through the filter of human myths and inventions, the further you get from divinity and the closer you get to Governing Elite manipulations.

But anyway, as I've said before, El/Yaweh/Jehovah is Saturn!

MNoBody said:

to claim that any of the mainstream religions are anything else other than pure astrotheology is evidence as to how far the self-deception has progressed in our species.

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Well it helps for the deception that celestial bodies give real energy. Somebody could scream "Jesus is real!!!" and of course; the Sun is real!

exchemist said:

What makes you think most religions "point to" worship of celestial bodies? It does not seem obvious that this is the case.

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Oh my planets; man, not obvious? Just look at a monstrance! If it isn't a solar symbol, then what else could it be???

agorman said:

Yes, I'm just wondering if I could relate to those gods without the filter of cultures and myths. Even if they come to me in dreams, in humanoid, Greek shapes.

I'd be worried about Jupiter though. He came to me once in a dream as an eagle with a man's head and asked politely if I would renounce to my free will in order to become a better servant of him. I said "no!" and he got angry. Then I woke up. I always wonder if that was really Jupiter or simply some astral demon.



I believe Christ is a "close teacher" aspect of the same sun god.



Not necessarily. It would be best to ask every planet in the right day, but not an obbligation. After all, who was it exactly the one who established what day corresponds to each planet? What about other planets like Uranus and Neptune that have no weekday?

Maybe that "Don't bother me on Sundays" attitude is ridiculous.



My thoughts exactly. I suspect the more you have to pass through the filter of human myths and inventions, the further you get from divinity and the closer you get to Governing Elite manipulations.

But anyway, as I've said before, El/Yaweh/Jehovah is Saturn!



Well it helps for the deception that celestial bodies give real energy. Somebody could scream "Jesus is real!!!" and of course; the Sun is real!



Oh my planets; man, not obvious? Just look at a monstrance! If it isn't a solar symbol, then what else could it be???

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Don't be silly. That is nothing to do with the sun. It represents the presence of the body of Jesus, i.e. God, in the form of the consecrated host. Traditional (pre-Reformation) Christianity holds that at the consecration during the mass, Christ Himself becomes physically present in the consecrated wafer of bread (called the host, from hostia = sacrificial victim) and the communion wine. This picture is of a monstrance. This is used in the service known as Benediction, during which people venerate the what is known as the Real Presence" in the consecrated wafer, which is displayed in one of these.

So it symbolises the radiant glory of God. Not the sun.

Do your homework, please.

1213 said:

Why? Is it too far to hear you, if wrong day? Or do they just have better work times than humans?

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To my limited knowledge of magic, certain rituals work "best" if done at the appropriate time, whatever that means. I've no idea whether that means they don't work if done at a diifferent time, but once you get youself into this kind of thinking, timetables etc. tend to become more and more complicated, until in the worst case you might end up as sort of a slave to "things done the right way at the right time". I found it constricting but horoscopes and the lunar calendar follow a similar way of thinking. Don't have your hair cut at the waning moon and stuff like that.