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One Mormon's view of Trump

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Fixed. Thanks.

I read the letter. It is quite enlightening.

Jehovah's Witnesses are having a special letter read at their meetings (usually held over Zoom now in most places) on maintaining our strict political neutrality, especially as our special campaign - to advertise Jehovah's kingdom government that is the real solution to mankind's problems in November to all governmental authorities around the world - approaches. (I reread that, it's a mouthful.)

For the most part there is no problem with it. But sometimes you can hear a brother or a sister mumble something or another because of the influence of media and social networking. And we would never want to take sides in Satan's system of things.

I find this letter a very strong proof of the Mormon's "prostitution" of herself as a religious organization meddling in politics, as Revelation 17, 18 represents false religion.

It makes some rather doozy and unverifiable claims as well such as: "Mr. Trump has preached fear and divisiveness among the American people, then used these raw emotions to create a mindless, militant personal following. With this private army, which believes every word he utters." You can only make such a statement if you personally know or know of every member of said army, and what they think.

He also mentions the United States as being a democracy. This is actually not true. It is a Democratic Republic, wherein the people elect officials to represent them in office. And it is actually the officials that make and pass the laws for the people. Not the people themselves.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I find this letter a very strong proof of the Mormon's "prostitution" of herself as a religious organization meddling in politics, as Revelation 17, 18 represents false religion.
Stop polluting this thread. It's disgusting and serves only to render your religion even more distasteful to many, if not most, of us.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Stop polluting this thread. It's disgusting and serves only to render your religion even more distasteful to many, if not most, of us.

It may come across as strong-worded, but it was not meant to offend or pollute. An observation from a neutral party that views things from a Biblical perspective, taking into account Bible prophecy.

If you didn't want religious observations it probably shouldn't have been put in "Religious Debates." I actually thought that is why you put this here.

I have had many discussions with Mormons over the years. And actually several of them tended to listen, and believe much of what I showed them the Bible says about political neutrality, including a life insurance salesman who actually knocked on my door selling life insurance.

I find the Mormons to be overall a nice people and very family oriented. And in no way have any ill will toward any of them.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
On, and this actually comes to mind:

The wounds inflicted by a friend are faithful, But an enemy’s kisses are plentiful.-Proverbs 27:6.

If a person is reprimanded for doing wrong by a friend it is for their good, even if it hurts. But it is for their good. Your enemies may heap you with praises and flatter you, but what is the end of their guile?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Clicked on the "link" does nothing. It appears it doesn't link to anything.

Jehovah's Witnesses maintain strict political neutrality around the world.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/political-neutrality/

In November, that is in a month, Jehovah's Witnesses are having a worldwide campaign to distribute issue no. 2 of The Watchtower of 2020 titled What is God's Kingdom?

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/


They're still social distancing so it won't be from door to door. Mostly by telephone/whatsapp and such to friends and relatives, workmates, acquaintances, etc.

The main focus will be to get the article into the hands of every governmental official big or small. So the local congregations will be making a conserted effort to get a copy to their local governmental authorities.

ETA:

A couple of exerts from the article:



The world needs better rulers and a better form of government. And that is what our Creator has promised!

God has set up a Kingdom, or government, that will replace all human rule, and “it alone will stand forever.” (Daniel 2:44) This is the Kingdom for which millions have been praying. (Matthew 6:9, 10) But God will not rule this government himself. Instead, he has appointed someone who lived as a human to be the Ruler. Whom has God chosen?

WHAT WILL GOD’S KINGDOM ACCOMPLISH NEXT?
Although Jesus is already ruling in heaven, human governments still rule on earth. However, God has directed Jesus: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” (Psalm 110:2) Soon, Jesus will completely destroy all opposers and bring relief to those who are willing to obey God.

During that time, God’s Kingdom will take action to

  • Abolish false religion. Religions that have taught lies about God and that have made life difficult for people will be gone. The Bible portrays false religion as a prostitute. Its destruction will come as a shock to many.—Revelation 17:15, 16.

  • End human rulership. God’s Kingdom will take action to put an end to all human rulership.—Revelation 19:15, 17, 18.

  • Remove wicked people. What about those who are determined to do what is bad and who refuse to obey God? “As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth.”—Proverbs 2:22.

  • Eliminate Satan and the demons. Satan and the demons will be unable to “mislead the nations anymore.”—Revelation 20:3, 10.
What will all of this mean for those who accept God’s Kingdom?

WHAT GOD’S KINGDOM WILL DO FOR MANKIND
Ruling as King in heaven, Jesus will accomplish much more than any human ruler ever could. He will be assisted by 144,000 corulers, who are chosen from among mankind. (Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1, 3) He will make sure that God’s will is carried out here on earth. What will God’s Kingdom do for earth’s inhabitants?

  • Eliminate sickness and death. “No resident will say: ‘I am sick,’” and “death will be no more.”—Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 21:4.

  • Ensure true peace and security. “The peace of your sons will be abundant,” and “they will sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one will make them afraid.”—Isaiah 54:13; Micah 4:4.

  • Provide meaningful work. “The work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full. They will not toil for nothing.”—Isaiah 65:22, 23.

  • Solve environmental problems. “The wilderness and the parched land will exult, and the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron.”—Isaiah 35:1.

  • Teach people what they need to do in order to live forever. “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.
A lot of people think Trump is doing just that.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
I read the letter. It is quite enlightening.

Jehovah's Witnesses are having a special letter read at their meetings (usually held over Zoom now in most places) on maintaining our strict political neutrality, especially as our special campaign - to advertise Jehovah's kingdom government that is the real solution to mankind's problems in November to all governmental authorities around the world - approaches. (I reread that, it's a mouthful.)

For the most part there is no problem with it. But sometimes you can hear a brother or a sister mumble something or another because of the influence of media and social networking. And we would never want to take sides in Satan's system of things.

I find this letter a very strong proof of the Mormon's "prostitution" of herself as a religious organization meddling in politics, as Revelation 17, 18 represents false religion.

It makes some rather doozy and unverifiable claims as well such as: "Mr. Trump has preached fear and divisiveness among the American people, then used these raw emotions to create a mindless, militant personal following. With this private army, which believes every word he utters." You can only make such a statement if you personally know or know of every member of said army, and what they think.

He also mentions the United States as being a democracy. This is actually not true. It is a Democratic Republic, wherein the people elect officials to represent them in office. And it is actually the officials that make and pass the laws for the people. Not the people themselves.

Hating the JWs and Mormon's is not the topic of this thread.
 
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Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
It may come across as strong-worded, but it was not meant to offend or pollute. An observation from a neutral party that views things from a Biblical perspective, taking into account Bible prophecy.

If you didn't want religious observations it probably shouldn't have been put in "Religious Debates." I actually thought that is why you put this here.

I have had many discussions with Mormons over the years. And actually several of them tended to listen, and believe much of what I showed them the Bible says about political neutrality, including a life insurance salesman who actually knocked on my door selling life insurance.

I find the Mormons to be overall a nice people and very family oriented. And in no way have any ill will toward any of them.

Why not post it here?

In most all religious or spiritual belief systems is the ever present battle of good over evil. And Trump is the greatest evil our country, our democracy, has ever faced. It is a time for everyone to unite and get him OUT before it's too late. Another 4 years and we will be under a brutal Trump dictatorship. So it is not a time for religious groups to stand back and let such evil win.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
See LETTER TO ARIZONAN MORMONS.

The religious community is not monolithic.

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormon), I have a few observations:

1. My church does not tell people from whom to vote. This letter is a personal opinion and not backed by my church. A former BYU professor certainly does not speak for my church.
2. Most members of my Church in the US are on the conservative side. But I see a divide among fellow church members when it comes to Trump. I see it in my own immediate and extended families, many of whom are practicing members of my church. I see the debate on FB among my circle, many of whom are members of my church. It comes up in family gatherings some times.
3. I see these breakouts among fellow church member
a) Those who are somewhat liberal and don't generally vote Republican. They can't stand Trump.
b) Those who are conservative and love almost everything about Trump. They see him as needed medicine for the country. They see him as widely misunderstood, not a bigot, not a racist, but a patriot, a true American.
c) Those who are conservative, but will not vote for Trump as they see him as a fake, a phony, (to quote Mitt Romney), a bad dude, etc.
d) Those who are conservative and don't like Trump, but like many of his conservative accomplishments. They see him as the best available option, but lament the fact that our country is not capable of nominating better choices to the two major parties.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I read the letter. It is quite enlightening.

Jehovah's Witnesses are having a special letter read at their meetings (usually held over Zoom now in most places) on maintaining our strict political neutrality, especially as our special campaign - to advertise Jehovah's kingdom government that is the real solution to mankind's problems in November to all governmental authorities around the world - approaches. (I reread that, it's a mouthful.)

For the most part there is no problem with it. But sometimes you can hear a brother or a sister mumble something or another because of the influence of media and social networking. And we would never want to take sides in Satan's system of things.

I find this letter a very strong proof of the Mormon's "prostitution" of herself as a religious organization meddling in politics, as Revelation 17, 18 represents false religion.

It makes some rather doozy and unverifiable claims as well such as: "Mr. Trump has preached fear and divisiveness among the American people, then used these raw emotions to create a mindless, militant personal following. With this private army, which believes every word he utters." You can only make such a statement if you personally know or know of every member of said army, and what they think.

He also mentions the United States as being a democracy. This is actually not true. It is a Democratic Republic, wherein the people elect officials to represent them in office. And it is actually the officials that make and pass the laws for the people. Not the people themselves.
How absurd, at various levels.

First, this thread is not about JWs.

Second, most faiths expect their adherents to apply standards of morality to how they live their lives. In a democracy, that includes how you vote. Your attack on the Mormons as "prostituting" themselves, by merely drawing attention to issues voters might consider, is a ridiculous and unjustified slur.

Third, the US most certainly is a democracy by any modern standard. Like all modern democracies, it is a representative democracy, whereby voters choose someone to represent them in governing, rather than them trying to do it all themselves by referenda on individual issues. That's the only practical way to govern a complex modern society and when anyone today speaks of "democracy", a system along those lines is almost always what they mean.

Fourth, according to the dictionaries I have seen, "doozy" means unique, impressive, outstanding. So, if you think the letter's arguments are "doozy" , why on earth are you criticising them?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
He also mentions the United States as being a democracy. This is actually not true. It is a Democratic Republic, wherein the people elect officials to represent them in office
We are actually a "constitutional republic" which is a sub-set of democracy.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
See LETTER TO ARIZONAN MORMONS.

The religious community is not monolithic.
I saw the letter on the Mormon Democrats Facebook page when it first came out. I read it and agree wholeheartedly with it. Unfortunately, while we're not monolithic, I'm afraid we're still too much so to make much of a difference for Biden. One of our Articles of Faith says, "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men.... If there is anything virtuous, lovely, of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." I don't see how any thinking Mormon can look at Donald Trump and see any of these things in him.

My niece sent me a Facebook message yesterday, filled with a bunch of right-wing propaganda and concluded by saying, "Follow the Prophet or follow the Democrats." After telling her that I don't appreciate her self-righteousness, I told her I intend to follow my conscience, as it's always served me well. I then unfriended her.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I saw the letter on the Mormon Democrats Facebook page when it first came out. I read it and agree wholeheartedly with it. Unfortunately, while we're not monolithic, I'm afraid we're still too much so to make much of a difference for Biden. One of our Articles of Faith says, "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men.... If there is anything virtuous, lovely, of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." I don't see how any thinking Mormon can look at Donald Trump and see any of these things in him.
That you reflect the virtuous and lovely is enough.

My niece sent me a Facebook message yesterday, filled with a bunch of right-wing propaganda and concluded by saying, "Follow the Prophet or follow the Democrats." After telling her that I don't appreciate her self-righteousness, I told her I intend to follow my conscience, as it's always served me well. I then unfriended her.
That hurts. It's also terribly frustrating. (Trust me. I know. I have to contend with a number of pro-Netanyahu Trump supporter in the family.)

Shalom, my friend.
 
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