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How much does Man need religion in the modern world.

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Timeline of religion - Wikipedia

The above link shows clearly Man needed religion from long before any of today's religions. The oldest temple so far discovered is
Göbekli Tepe, there are other examples of religions that predates Judaism and today's religions.

Man yearns to understand his place in the world and to find anything to give him an edge, especially in a world where he needed to know where to hunt and forage for food, cure themselves of minor ailments and we believed natural phenomenon were acts of a god.

Today Man knows we're just one planet in a solar system of approximately 500,000 planets, understand evolution, have supermarkets for food, chemists for drugs, and understand natural phenomenon aren't acts of any god, etc.

Does Man need a being in the sky to protect us, why should Man believe in any god?

Hi there,

People have always worshiped someone or something and that hasn't changed. However, a belief in God and having a religion don't always go together. Some people belong to a religion without having any faith and others have faith but don't have a religion. It's not that uniform.
Considering the question if people "need" a religion or not, I would say yes. There are still many people left who acknowledge their spiritual needs and like to belong to a group with the same kind of belief and worship together.
The ones who don't have religious beliefs, very often worship something else: money, famous people, likes on social networks, etc... They might not have a religion, but their behavior is very religious-like. My opinion anyway.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
My faith, even it has changed during my adult life has been what saved me from taking my own life on two occations.
My faith has never changed but it has kept me from taking my own life because I knew my life would not end even if I tried to end it and I also knew there was a greater Purpose for my life other than personal happiness.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
My faith has never changed but it has kept me from taking my own life because I knew my life would not end even if I tried to end it and I also knew there was a greater Purpose for my life other than personal happiness.
When i was 16 years old i had one attempt, but failed, and 5 years ago after a bus i was on crashed with a car front to front, i was thinking about it, but my faith kept me alive, because i know the consequence if i was to end my life. So i could not do it.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How much does Man need religion in the modern world.

That depends on the individual and how he or she was raised. None of us is born needing religion, and if we are raised without it, we eventually meet our emotional and intellectual needs without it and find no value in it. That's where I'm at. Religion has nothing to offer me because I have learned to be quite comfortable with the possibility that consciousness ends with death, that I am not watched over or loved by any creature not on this earth with me, that I will likely never see deceased loved ones again, that nobody answers silent prayer, that I can find community outside of religion, that purpose comes from within, that I am the arbiter of right and wrong, etc..

What would becoming religious do for somebody like that? Nothing. No need, no use.

But if you were raised to think some or all of those things and still do by middle age or later, it is highly likely that you will be unable to live without religion, the loss of which would be disorienting and socially destabilizing. Such a person needs religion, but is that really a good thing? Aren't we better off if we can mature without it and never need it?

Religion, like cigarettes, creates its own need, a good analogy. None of us is born needing a cigarette, and if we mature without them, we will never need one. We look at the cigarette smoker who tells us how comforting a smoke is for him, and are grateful to not have that need.

If one never stands on his own two feet and instead rolls around in a wheel chair, eventually, the chair becomes necessary. It would be cruel to take such a person's chair away. He needs it. But we do not envy him having such a need? He needs his wheelchair now, but he didn't before, and didn't need to allow himself to become dependent on it.
 

PAUL MARKHAM

Well-Known Member
I'm apparently excluded from this conversation, so I'm just going to ask a question. Or rather, pose a demand.

Define religion.

I get the impression the OP is operating from a rather limited understanding of that term, so perhaps it's no loss that I'm not supposed to be included in this conversation.
Religion in terms of believing in a all powerful being that created Earth and gives us guide lines on how to live.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I think Buddhism is an example of a religion that is of positive influence. I'm not willing to give up on religion though most are divisive, and mythological and provide false hope.

There are open ended questions about existence that leave the door open for valid religions to come along.

I can relate to spirituality, and psychology does nothing for me.

The modern world likes to think they know everything sufficiently about reality. I think that is a false pretense.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
When i was 16 years old i had one attempt, but failed, and 5 years ago after a bus i was on crashed with a car front to front, i was thinking about it, but my faith kept me alive, because i know the consequence if i was to end my life. So i could not do it.
I never made an actual attempt, I only wanted to, many times. The last time I seriously thought about it was in June 2014, and it was at that time that I finally turned a corner and decided to turn to God for help. I have had many rough times since then, but it was never that bad again, although there are times when I have wished to be dead.

On that horrible night in 2014, my husband had to call 911 because he thought I was going to take the bottle of pills I held in my hand. When the police came I told them I could not kill myself because I believe in God. I later read the police report and that is what it said... "she said that she could not kill herself because she believes in God."
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I never made an actual attempt, I only wanted to, many times. The last time I seriously thought about it was in June 2014, and it was at that time that I finally turned a corner and decided to turn to God for help. I have had many rough times since then, but it was never that bad again, although there are times when I have wished to be dead.

On that horrible night in 2014, my husband had to call 911 because he thought I was going to take the bottle of pills I held in my hand. When the police came I told them I could not kill myself because I believe in God. I later read the police report and that is what it said... "she said that she could not kill herself because she believes in God."
I think God do really care when we ask for help. But it is our own listening ability that can give us the answer we need to turn around from doing something bad to our self.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That depends on the individual and how he or she was raised. None of us is born needing religion, and if we are raised without it, we eventually meet our emotional and intellectual needs without it and find no value in it.
Hello again friend. :) I hope you are okay down there in Mexico. As I am sure you have seen, the United States is a big mess.

I was not raised with religion or believing in God, so I never felt a need for God or religion. Then I stumbled upon the Baha'i Faith during my first year of college and I joined because I liked what it taught and I believed it was the truth. That was back in the days when many people were very idealistic and I was always an idealist. Before I joined I did not even think much about what part God played in the religion. It was only decades later when I started to think seriously about God and what part He played. But ever after that, I did not have any mushy gushy feelings about God, as so many Christians seem to have. God has always been an intellectual concept to me, a Being I believe exists and take very seriously. As such, I approach belief from a logical point of view, not an emotional one, not an attempt to get my personal needs met. If I thought about my personal needs, I would tend to them, rather than living on RF. ;)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I think God do really care when we ask for help. But it is our own listening ability that can give us the answer we need to turn around from doing something bad to our self.
I believe that God listens and cares because that is what the Baha'i Faith teaches. For example:

“While a man is happy he may forget his God; but when grief comes and sorrows overwhelm him, then will he remember his Father who is in Heaven, and who is able to deliver him from his humiliations.” Paris Talks, pp. 50-51

And I believe you are right, we have to listen if we want the answer. God will not ever force His Will upon us.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Timeline of religion - Wikipedia

The above link shows clearly Man needed religion from long before any of today's religions. The oldest temple so far discovered is
Göbekli Tepe, there are other examples of religions that predates Judaism and today's religions.

Man yearns to understand his place in the world and to find anything to give him an edge, especially in a world where he needed to know where to hunt and forage for food, cure themselves of minor ailments and we believed natural phenomenon were acts of a god.

Today Man knows we're just one planet in a solar system of approximately 500,000 planets, understand evolution, have supermarkets for food, chemists for drugs, and understand natural phenomenon aren't acts of any god, etc.

Does Man need a being in the sky to protect us, why should Man believe in any god?

Our solar system has 8 known planets that have cleared their own orbits of smaller bodies (Pluto hasn't managed that), and so the official count of planets for our solar system stands at 8 for now. But there is some reasonable or plausible theory (due to certain patterns of deflections/orbits) that there could be a ninth planet much further out than Pluto.

(I couldn't think of any particular type of grouping (galactic, or Earth sized, etc.) to get '500,000' planets. Though planet hunting mission Kepler was able to search over 500,000 stars for planets (to the limit of it's sensitivity, which wasn't perfect of course). Where did you see the figure 500,000 I wonder? Astronomy has been a life long interest and I always enjoy discussing it.)

About religions, they have an interesting common thread: they seem to be a search for something fleeting or ineffable, occasionally sensed but not easy to pin down, so one gets the 'thousand faces of God' in result.

The fact of so many of course doesn't prove God does or does not exist, but is suggestive; i.e. -- unless one thinks most all people are remarkably...unintelligent (in spite of having about the same number of neurons you or I have) that they might have had some real moment of perception (however fleeting), and that perhaps there is a something that they were seeking. It's only suggestive.

This isn't why I began reading widely in the great thinkers of history (including as it turns out later on the famous one Jesus). I was not seeking to find God. I was only seeking to have faster insights and faster progress in living the best life here and now -- the most fulfilling and enjoyable -- while young, before I got old. It was like stumbling onto a hoard of diamonds or some such.
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?

Religion is needed today to help people deal with insecurities, unknowns and hardships in their lives as much today as it was in the past. Most people can't just except life as it is. Religion acts like a therapy for most. I've said before if you remove religions from the world you are going to need a lot more Psychologists, Therapists and psychology hospitals.
I rated as winner because at the very bottom of everything, this is the base reason. There are of course, many more layers added on top of that base, but this is the root. And as long as it is kept as a personal choice for one's self, it is useful and has a real purpose. As long as it is helpful to the person realizing the particular religion, it is still necessary to have gods and religions.

We have had them for a very long time. If they didn't work to help people, they would have gone extinct. I believe they will soon as the gaps grow smaller, but as you daid, we will need a lot more CBT and meditation to go around. Even that only helps the practitioners in dealing with reality. It does little for the hope gods and after life's bring to most people currently.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
We don't need it but it gives comfort to many; justifies bad behaviour for other and makes a lot of money and influence for a few.

Or-

We (mankind) need it because it gives comfort to many; justifies bad behaviour for others and makes a lot of money and influence for a few.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Or possibly, it is the nonbelievers who cannot accept life as it is, if religion is the truth from God, in which case it bestows not only life, but also eternal life.

The question was about Religion and not god. If you want to claim a god of all you need to justify 100's of religions or prove 1 god and eliminate 100's of religions.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The question was about Religion and not god. If you want to claim a god of all you need to justify 100's of religions or prove 1 god and eliminate 100's of religions.
I cannot justify why there are so many religions, but I can explain why there are so many...
  • Some of the so-called religions are man-made because they were not revealed by the one true God, and
  • The religions that were revealed by the one true God split into 100s of sects, sometimes 1000s.
There is only one true God, the God of all the true religions. All the older religions that were revealed by God have split into many sects because the followers of those religions interpreted their scriptures differently. Catholics thought St. Peter was the foundation of the Church, Protestants went with St. Paul, and then the Protestants split into many sects because they could not agree on what the Bible meant. Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims interpreted the Qur'an differently, dividing them into two major sects, but Muslims within those sects do not even agree with each other. Jews have three major divisions -- Reform, Orthodox and Conservative - and more divisions within those divisions, depending upon how they evolved and the practices they follow. Hinduism and Buddhism split into more sects than the Muslims because of the passage of time that allowed so much division to keep taking place.

The reason for all the different interpretations of scriptures and ensuing divisions within them is that there was no written Covenant between the Founders of those religions (what I call Messengers of God or Prophets) which would have passed on the succession of authority within those religions, so there was nothing to prevent the followers of those religions from interpreting the scriptures as they darn well pleased and creating new churches and groups.

The Baha'i Faith is the only religion that does not have any divisions, because of the Covenant of Baha'u'llah which passed down the succession of authority within the religion, thus preventing any schisms within the religion or unauthorized interpretations of the scriptures. Never before in the history of religion has there been a written Covenant specifying exactly what the Prophet Founder wanted the followers to do after His death.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I agree. they are looking for happiness in the things of material world but they will never find it there.
I am completely happy without worshiping any God or accepting any fake prophet / son / messenger / manifestation / mahdi. No BS in my life.
The Baha'i Faith is the only religion that does not have any divisions, because of the Covenant of Baha'u'llah which passed down the succession of authority within the religion, thus preventing any schisms within the religion or unauthorized interpretations of the scriptures.
There is no division in your religion because you are more authoritarian than others. That is what Bahaollah and his progeny did in their life time, ex-communicated people who differed including all their relatives; and that is what your House of Justice is doing now.
There is only one true God, ..
You do not have any evidence either for God / Allah or for the founder of your religion whom you call a manifestation of Allah.
.. if religion is the truth from God, in which case it bestows not only life, but also eternal life.
There is an 'if' in your post and it is larger than the rest of letters in the sentence.
 
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