injunction on use of face masks

just a thought about all this fear of contact with people....what about all those articles one brings home and consumes....hmm handles, touches etc.....are they all "clean"?
the server wears a mask but the food is what....sterile?
these protocols would not work in an actual situation, hell they even show this in those stupid hollywood movies, it is so obvious.
it is the idea you are protected being sold here, not actual protection....but, enjoy the fantasy.

MNoBody said:

just a thought about all this fear of contact with people....what about all those articles one brings home and consumes....hmm handles, touches etc.....are they all "clean"?
the server wears a mask but the food is what....sterile?
these protocols would not work in an actual situation, hell they even show this in those stupid hollywood movies, it is so obvious.
it is the idea you are protected being sold here, not actual protection....but, enjoy the fantasy.

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I'd say, as each situation should be seen multiple views bad or good, it's to prevent fear and panic. I think it goes deeper than that, though. If it's fantasy, you'd have to account for the thousands of deaths, cases, and those with symptoms. ... but, well, religion and politics. Hard not to take things personal.

Unveiled Artist said:

I'd say, as each situation should be seen multiple views bad or good, it's to prevent fear and panic. I think it goes deeper than that, though. If it's fantasy, you'd have to account for the thousands of deaths, cases, and those with symptoms. ... but, well, religion and politics. Hard not to take things personal.

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I have noticed over the years that people have a tendency to just accept the official narative and then seek to make sense from there...as if it has it pegged.
people got trained to have pigeon hole minds in the early years of domestication
we do live on a plantation and are still slaves, just bought into an illusion...the less one accepts that the deeper they really have been played...but that is just what a perspective of some nobody, so take it for whatever it's worth.
the intention is well meant
be well

MNoBody said:

I have noticed over the years that people have a tendency to just accept the official narative and then seek to make sense from there...as if it has it pegged.
people got trained to have pigeon hole minds in the early years of domestication
we do live on a plantation and are still slaves, just bought into an illusion...the less one accepts that the deeper they really have been played...but that is just what a perspective of some nobody, so take it for whatever it's worth.
the intention is well meant
be well

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What would you say would happen if people figured out later they were slaves to illusion?

Amanaki said:

I am a peaceful person and even if i did grab one of them, i do not see what a good beating would help, but people are desperat for attention and they go far to "show off" to their friends.

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I am a peaceful person as well. But I will protect myself when another is physically assaulting me.

Unveiled Artist said:

I know some people wear gloves and masks since we touch more things than some of us are around people.

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I'm one of them. Have to be careful how you remove them.

Heyo said:

Intelligent people wear masks anyway. For the rest it is mandatory.

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Hi......

And to think that only 5 months ago the Western Intelligentsia was screaming 'Skip the masks! They're useless!'

My wife wears full PPE all day long at work. Mask, Visor, Overall, Gloves...... etc. We have to wear a face mask at all public indoor locations and on all public transport.

I reckon that this winter will be the worst for the sickness so far.

pcarl said:

I'm one of them. Have to be careful how you remove them.

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Yeah. Mother is too. But hers isn't medical reasons or anything. She has to wear a shield at her job in government building. I don't wear gloves. Sounds more personal preference.

oldbadger said:

Hi......

And to think that only 5 months ago the Western Intelligentsia was screaming 'Skip the masks! They're useless!'

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You may misremember that or your source didn't understand the memo and mixed it up. The message then was to not buy masks but to leave them for the professionals as they were scarce. I made my own.

My wife wears full PPE all day long at work. Mask, Visor, Overall, Gloves...... etc. We have to wear a face mask at all public indoor locations and on all public transport.

I reckon that this winter will be the worst for the sickness so far.

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It may be. It seems that you're pretty save outside with a modicum of distance, even without a mask. But indoors infections happen, sometimes even with masks. Otoh, it will be a very mild flu season with everybody wearing a mask.

Unveiled Artist said:

What would you say would happen if people figured out later they were slaves to illusion?

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typically people are quite disillusioned.....it is a common theme in all our tv and movies so it is pretty obvious...that it can play out in any number of ways, so who can say.....I would hope that there is nobility and integrity in all the doings, that would be great, maybe instill some hope, but we shall see.

Heyo said:

You may misremember that or your source didn't understand the memo and mixed it up. The message then was to not buy masks but to leave them for the professionals as they were scarce. I made my own.

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Hello again.
I don't misremember, Heyo.
The earliest threads on RF show that masks were considered to be useless, and I wrote a Thread in the spring about the U-Turn on that.
I hate having to dig up old threads, but they are there.

It may be. It seems that you're pretty save outside with a modicum of distance, even without a mask. But indoors infections happen, sometimes even with masks. Otoh, it will be a very mild flu season with everybody wearing a mask.

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We've banned all outside spectator presence at the big sports. We have banned all meetings exceeding 6 people outside, or tried to.

My wife and self have worn masks from the start (mid February) so we both agreed with the Far Eastern people on that.

Heyo said:

You may misremember that or your source didn't understand the memo and mixed it up. The message then was to not buy masks but to leave them for the professionals as they were scarce. I made my own.

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Can I add to my previous post?
No.......... no mis-remembering!

Back in February early March there was a general opinion (in the West) that face masks had no value.

Folks like me who thought that Eastern countries' mass use of masks was reasonable were offering ONE certain value for face masks which the critics could not answer and mostly preferred to ignore........ here it is (or was).

Since it was totally understood that touching hands to face, eyes etc could definitely be dangerous, I often tried to remind folks that therefore wearing face masks was sensible because face touching is so common amongst people, they don't even realise that they are doing it.

That was the only argument that we could put for face masks. But by late March the opinion was changing, very quickly. I posted a thread on RF about this U-Turn.

oldbadger said:

Can I add to my previous post?
No.......... no mis-remembering!

Back in February early March there was a general opinion (in the West) that face masks had no value.

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I just tried to dig up old articles in German media but couldn't find any relevant. We didn't have mandatory masks until April and I found articles dealing with the struggles to import or make them in sufficient quantities.

Folks like me who thought that Eastern countries' mass use of masks was reasonable were offering ONE certain value for face masks which the critics could not answer and mostly preferred to ignore........ here it is (or was).

Since it was totally understood that touching hands to face, eyes etc could definitely be dangerous, I often tried to remind folks that therefore wearing face masks was sensible because face touching is so common amongst people, they don't even realise that they are doing it.

That was the only argument that we could put for face masks. But by late March the opinion was changing, very quickly. I posted a thread on RF about this U-Turn.

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My argument was and is that medical professionals wear masks.

MNoBody said:

just a thought about all this fear of contact with people....what about all those articles one brings home and consumes....hmm handles, touches etc.....are they all "clean"?
the server wears a mask but the food is what....sterile?
these protocols would not work in an actual situation, hell they even show this in those stupid hollywood movies, it is so obvious.
it is the idea you are protected being sold here, not actual protection....but, enjoy the fantasy.

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"There's currently no evidence to suggest that food is a likely source or route of transmission of the virus. There are currently no reported cases of COVID-19 transmission through food.
Scientists and food safety authorities across the world are closely monitoring the spread of COVID-19.
If we become aware of a potential food safety risk, appropriate actions will be taken to ensure the safety of Canada's food supply.
Coronaviruses are killed by common cleaning and disinfection methods and by cooking food to safe internal temperatures."
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Prevention and risks - Canada.ca



"Currently, there is no evidence to suggest that handling food or consuming food is associated with COVID-19.
Coronaviruses, like the one that causes COVID-19, are thought to spread mostly person-to-person through respiratory droplets when someone coughs, sneezes, or talks. It is possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object, including food or food packaging, that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. However, this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

After shopping, handling food packages, or before preparing or eating food, it is important to always wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. If soap and water are not available, use a hand sanitizerexternal icon that contains at least 60% alcohol. Cover all surfaces of your hands and rub them together until they feel dry. Remember, it is always important to follow good food safety practices to reduce the risk of illness from common foodborne pathogens."

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

hmmm...air bad... objects that particulates suspended in the air settle on, safe...got it.

MNoBody said:

hmmm...air bad... objects that particulates suspended in the air settle on, safe...got it.

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"It is possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object, including food or food packaging, that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes."

So, not safe, just not the main route of transfer. The virus can survive up to 3 days on surfaces like metals or plastics but that is an upper limit, not the norm and you then have to bring it to your respiratory tract.

Heyo said:

"It is possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object, including food or food packaging, that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes."

So, not safe, just not the main route of transfer. The virus can survive up to 3 days on surfaces like metals or plastics but that is an upper limit, not the norm and you then have to bring it to your respiratory tract.

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which shows obviously that masks are only basic prophylactics that are prone to failure and worse situations

[ask any medical tech about the safety equipment protocols and how often and disciplined one must be to achieve good results that don't backfire]

and people touch their faces compulsively......so this is merely an idea of safety,
hey it is not entirely a 'bad thing', it is just how it is all being played out.

MNoBody said:

which shows obviously that masks are only basic prophylactics that are prone to failure and worse situations

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Yes. If masks helped 100%, it would be the only measure we need.

[ask any medical tech about the safety equipment protocols and how often and disciplined one must be to achieve good results that don't backfire]

and people touch their faces compulsively......so this is merely an idea of safety,
hey it is not entirely a 'bad thing', it is just how it is all being played out.

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As New Zealand has showed us, the virus can be eliminated.
And as the second wave has showed us, getting careless can bring it back with a vengeance.

well, i'm doing my part [although not by choice]... which is why i spend so much time in this cafe....

Heyo said:

I just tried to dig up old articles in German media but couldn't find any relevant. We didn't have mandatory masks until April and I found articles dealing with the struggles to import or make them in sufficient quantities.

My argument was and is that medical professionals wear masks.

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I don't doubt that at all, which means that you were one of the few folks supporting the value of masks back in February.

The posts from early 2020 are there to find and view.
My argument back then was that since 'face touching' is an involuntary action a face mask is necessary to protect from that action, ergo ... they couldn't be useless.

The West has U-turned since then.