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Trump's Instruction to Neo-Nazis: Stand Back and Stand By,
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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I'm standing back & standing by.
But I plan to do this no matter what happens.
I'll be pleased to see Mr Trump leave office.
But not so pleased to see Biden enter it.
But I plan to do this no matter what happens.
I'll be pleased to see Mr Trump leave office.
But not so pleased to see Biden enter it.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I find it appalling and gross.
He will say and do anything that he thinks will help him win.
He has no shame. He has no decency. He has no integrity. He has no compassion. He has no empathy.
He will say and do anything that he thinks will help him win.
He has no shame. He has no decency. He has no integrity. He has no compassion. He has no empathy.
I'm actually wondering if this is illegal for him to be giving orders to a private group of vigilantes outside the law to do his bidding, should he call upon them. Telling them to "Stand by", is saying he commands them. Add to this, he also instructed them directly during the debate to go the polling places and watch the voters to make sure no one is cheating. That again, is illegal, and dangerous. He's calling on forces outside government control to intimate voters and polling places.
What happens now when they show up and put their illegal presence in voting places? This is pure and simple intimidation of voters by right wing thugs.
What happens now when they show up and put their illegal presence in voting places? This is pure and simple intimidation of voters by right wing thugs.
Slip of the tongue I think he has said - should have been stand down rather than stand by. As if we believe that. 
I feel guilty to be adding to the crazy scary things going around, but the president has the ability to create a standing army out of the millions of prisoners we have locked up. He can offer (for example) skinheads amnesty on condition of serving in some form of police action or armed service. If he is truly aligned with the skinheads and truly plans to topple the government (as the Democrats are trying to imply) then this is likely part of his dastardly plans. I guess... Honestly I think the political parties play too much at seeing the end of the Republic, but if somebody here knows something then they should consider the president's powers. If its really that bad then that's what 'Stand by' likely means. I feel like adding 'Duh', but...I think the belief that he could succeed is laughable. His problem would be getting wardens to comply, but he'd have the power to free skinhead gangster prisoners as he liked to add to his scary border patrol and unmarked federal agents. Now you have extra to worry about.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Even if it was a slip, I think we have enough evidence of Trump's disdain for "others" (i.e. just about anyone who isn't himself) to plausibly claim that it was a slip of the "Freudian" variety.Slip of the tongue I think he has said - should have been stand down rather than stand by. As if we believe that.
I hadn't thought about that, but sure, I think we are foolish to underestimate what he may do when he loses. If he, as loser of the election (prayers here), decides to call upon his White Supremacist thugs to wage war in America, that is an armed uprising against the government. What happens then? Is that call for the military to suppress armed insurrection?
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
I don't personally believe that such an armed uprising would happen. But I feel there are strong signs that this is going to lead into Stochastic Terrorism as elections draw near. Watch out for November and beyond...
I do not believe it was a slip of the tongue. He knows what he's saying, and chose it deliberately. It's a dog whistle to his boys who are willing to "do what it takes", as how it put it.
Its better if he starts something than if the military has to oust him just for refusing to step down. You don't want a situation in which the military is deciding who the president is.
If it's foolish to under-estimate him (eg, that his skinhead
army might stage a coup), this suggests taking precautions.
What measures do you envision to counter this?
A plan that is both legal and constitutional, as opposed to being outside the law with Trump's plan to start a civil war.
What's the plan?
I'll be watching to see what happens after Biden's win, & assuming
office in January. Will the prognosticators of a coup, civil war, military
intervention, & a white supremacist takeover admit their error?
Absolutely. The military wouldn't be necessary to remove him from office. After Biden is sworn in, he is the only voice of authority the government will obey. A simple armed escort should be enough, in cuffs if he gets feisty and resists requests to leave. Trump Gets Tasered, might read the mornings headline.
Oh dear, what an American Disgrace, Trump is.
Even his most diligent detractor, Dan Alexander, estimates
Trump's net worth at over a $billion (after extensive research).
'White House, Inc.' Author: Trump's Businesses Offer 'A Million Potential Conflicts'
Why do you think otherwise?
The issue shouldn't be how much wealth he has, but rather
what he's done to obtain it. That is the harsher question.
Why are you asking me? I'm not the legal and constitutional expert here.
You and me both. I don't believe for a moment Trump will go quietly. That will be the first true test of our next president, Biden.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Also, regardless of whether it was or was not a slip of the tongue, "stand down" or "stand back" are orders - implying that these groups are directly at the command of Trump.
Now, personally, I don't believe that he is involved directly with these groups, but I certainly think that he knows that he benefits by ACTING as if they are at his command, with the implication to the general public that these people could be "ordered" by him at any time to threaten or harass you if you don't walk his line.
Essentially, he wants to enjoy the benefits of IMPLYING being at the command of violent, white supremacist militia groups, if such a move might make it more likely that some of his political opponents might feel less safe going out and casting their votes.
Then again, this is probably giving him too much credit.