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Charlie Hebdo Muslim hypocrisy still not cured
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It would be difficult to argue there aren't Christian elements to the Provisional IRA, especially if one considers the causes of the schism with the Official IRA.
(As a simple example)
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Sorry, camels...
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Sure, "secular" with a Christian background. With an Islamic theocratic culture there won't be
a democratic liberal society - separation of powers, scientific freedoms, business culture etc..
Having been injured in an IRA bombing i spent more then the usual investigation of their roots. I consiser them to be a Catholic terror group although it is said they will accept Protestants.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
The position of non-belief didn't "start" the moment people made a label for it.
It's...ya know...kinda a weird hobby. But whilst terrorism was a hobby of mine, the IRA specifically was an area of study.
The history is both interesting and somewhat varied because of the interplay of republicanism. Traditionally, staunch republicanism was more important than Catholicism, albeit the two commonly amounted to the same thing.
But in the post WW2 era, Marxist philosophy infiltrated the IRA, and some of the leaders re-organised along the lines of class struggle. They saw working class Protestants as potential allies, and British incarceration of suspects without trial on both sides of the conflict provided an element of common repression. They tried aligning themselves with international groups like the PLA, and sought weapons from Libya.
Ultimately the IRA splintered, with many members believing it was losing its way, and the irreligious aspects of Marxism was particularly controversial.
You ended up with a lot of more traditional members leaving the Official IRA and forming the Provos (which basically became the main IRA body). Along with various other splinters, like INLA, or eventually the Real IRA.
It was the Provisional IRA which brought back traditional Catholic rites at the start of meetings, for example. I've got a pretty interesting book called God and the Gun which tells various stories from the clergy on both sides of the conflict (Protestant impacts are less commonly examined, generally).
You too have done your homework,.
Martin Dillon? If so ive read it, or more, borrowed it from the library and skipped through it but it didn't catch my interest.
Hah..yes.
Lessee here...
Martin Dillon
Ed Maloney
Tim Pat Coogan
Thomas Pakenham (on the 1798 rebellion)
They're authors whose material I own, writing specifically about the IRA (or in Pakenham's case, Wolfe Tone).
Bunch of general stuff mixed within some books on terrorism as a whole, but Coogan and Maloney in particular are more in depth on the IRA itself.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
True of course
I have a question about Atheism:
Would you say that all those that do not call themselves Theists, automatically are called Atheists?
A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods is an atheist.
What you them is up to you
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thank you. I was not sure if there were other categories, hence I asked.
Just 2 categorisch: I call it the same as you: Humans can be devided in: Theists(6.7 billion) + Atheists(1.1 billion)
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Donkeys are smart, according to below quote; could be our Masters
"A donkey doesn't bump against the same stone twice". How many humans manage to do that
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Question: And in this definition of Atheism, is God considered the Bible God (a being who created stuff like explained in the Bible)?
Because there are so many definitions of God. My definition of God is "The Unknown", meaning I can't prove how/if there has been a start or not.
Evolution makes sense to me. Before evolution I don't know.
Any god, even if you consider the unknown a god then you believe in that god.
I think it's very hard for a believer to grasp the concept of disbelief.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I think that publishing material that can upset and anger groups of people is just dirt, whoever is chucking it about.
There are millions of decent Muslims living in Europe who don't deserve to be upset by humiliating pictures.
I surely wouldn't buy a Charlie Hebdo if it was for sale here.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Funny, i think that people killing other people for publishing a picture is kind of upsetting too. With the disadvantages that some people wind up dead, their families have lost a father/mother/brother/sister.
Particularly when those murdered people are not bound by islamic mores.
Yes, i have this thing about murderers of any stripe, they are the lowest form of human excrement that exists.
Can I answer as well?
No........ Sadly, humans will be humans.
Killing in the name of god would not exist, so thats a huge percentage of violence that would never exist
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Russia is a Christian country, and so are Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba and Belarus.
Also I find it interesting how you inserted "business culture" in the end for seemingly no reason.