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Why the Theory of Evolution is True. Part 1: What is Science?
Too many variables to give a canned answer.
For an example, "Lord, I want two Mercedes Benz by tomorrow" and then one wonders why there is silence.
But, IMV, there is a God that is listening (or moaning 'really?", or laughing ('are you kidding?'). Or "you already know the answer and I'm not repeating myself".
gnostic
The Lost One
Too many variables to give a canned answer.
For an example, "Lord, I want two Mercedes Benz by tomorrow" and then one wonders why there is silence.
But, IMV, there is a God that is listening (or moaning 'really?", or laughing ('are you kidding?'). Or "you already know the answer and I'm not repeating myself".
Excuse me, but if god can exist everywhere at once (hence, omnipresent) and all-knowing (omniscient) as some Christians believe him to be, then the power of god (omnipotent) should have no problem with answering everyone’s prayers, including rebuking those with childish or greedy agenda.
And who says He doesn't? Not answering a bad prayer is one way of rebuking. Many parents do that.
Sometimes children say, "I want to go out, I want to go out, I want to go out, I want to go out" ad infinitum and you wonder why He doesn't listen.
But I have enjoyed Him answering prayers.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Even though I certain am not opposed to praying for something not selfish, I tend to think that most prayers are really for us, which is why I believe "contemplative prayer" is preferable over rote prayer or self-centered prayer. IOW, sorta like asking the Boss "Am I praying for the right reason, and/or is there something I can do to help fulfill my own prayer?".
I think it isn't one or the other but rather both.
"if my people who are called by my name...." is both for us (to humble ourselves) and for the healing of the land.
Another application would be growth... as a baby, it is all about us, self centered but don't know it and yet need it as a baby craves for milk. Then, as we mature, it is about others. But certainly it is all about God. "Our Father who art in Heaven, hollowed be thy Name" - and praying "Thy Kingdom come and thy will be done".
Certainly, as adults, we shouldn't be self-centered.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's me = m-a-t-u-r-e.
I'm not quite as old as dirt, but I think I'm gaining on it. Next, I'm going to try and remember seeing the Big Bang-- oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm.
As the very old saying goes... "I looked under the bed and saw so much dirt, I didn't know if someone was coming or going".That's me = m-a-t-u-r-e.
I'm not quite as old as dirt, but I think I'm gaining on it. Next, I'm going to try and remember seeing the Big Bang-- oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There's another joke with the same ending but I don't think I'll post it here.
dad
Undefeated
Evolution us based on knowledge of the present world and nature and how it works, and by faith it projects this onto the past also. That is a claim that the 'natural' world we see today was always the same. Faith based. One cannot call this true, but only believed.
Since the models created are all based on the same premise one cannot call it knowledge, only belief.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Evolutionary biology is a scientific theory. In that sense it follows the axioms of science, in this case the assumption of an orderly universe.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, I can tell you about my experience...
To the question, maybe both Divine creation and chance were involved?
Yerda
Veteran Member
If you take a close look at just about anything in the world around you you'll find mind-boggling processes taking place.
This might be a useful place to begin, however: How Did Insect Metamorphosis Evolve?
Heyo
Veteran Member
I don't call it faith, but, yes, science rests on unproven assumptions.
That is one of the things I tried to explain in this OP, that you can't do science without accepting the assumptions.
If @dad (who is on my ignore list) did try to use that as an argument against science, then he's fighting windmills. No scientist denies uniformity.
Evolutionary theory is true if the universe is orderly. If it isn't, everything is possible and nothing can be known by anyone.
Well, I can tell you about my experience...
To the question, maybe both Divine creation and chance were involved?
not sure about chance - but sure like the Divine creation part! I'm partial.Actually, our experience should include a metamorphosis - Metamorphoo
That doesn't quite match the process of a caterpillar turning to a liquid and then to get the DNA just right to produce a butterfly.