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Charlie Hebdo Muslim hypocrisy still not cured

stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
firedragon said:
Was he in this 84% you assumed? Please explain.
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:D
84% of the world population is said to be religious, hence I said 84%
I assumed that violence is spread evenly among religious as well as non-religious
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
stvdv said:
:D
84% of the world population is said to be religious, hence I said 84%
I assumed that violence is spread evenly among religious as well as non-religious
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That doesn't prove one to one that all terrorism by religious people is religious. Nor that non-religious terrorism can be akin to some form of religious terrorism.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
I'm more interested in the root causes of their actions rather than their claimed ideological reasons. Those don't really tell us anything.

And whether they're first generation immigrants or not matters, for obvious reasons.

Here's an example: Breivik was 'already damaged by the age of two'

I would like to see such informative investigations for all such terrorists and mass murderers, not just for the white ones. What we learn from their backgrounds and upbringing, we can use to prevent such failures of the system in the future.
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I agree that damaged individuals are going to be more of a problem.
But the OP is about Islamic inspired violence, & the intolerance of
western culture. This is a problem largely independent of 2nd gen
Muslims with mental health issues.
 
S

Saint Frankenstein

Gone
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
I agree that damaged individuals are going to be more of a problem.
But the OP is about Islamic inspired violence, & the intolerance of
western culture. This is a problem largely independent of 2nd gen
Muslims with mental health issues.
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Er, the "2nd gen Muslims with mental health issues" are the ones carrying out the violence for the most part in the West, so they're not different issues. :rolleyes:
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Saint Frankenstein said:
I'm more interested in the root causes of their actions rather than their claimed ideological reasons. Those don't really tell us anything.

Here's an example: Breivik was 'already damaged by the age of two'

I would like to see such informative investigations for all such terrorists and mass murderers, not just for the white ones. What we learn from their backgrounds and upbringing, we can use to prevent such failures of the system in the future.
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I believe that most violent humans have had something bad happened to them when they were young. Emotional traumas you get when you are very young are very difficult to heal. They can be suppressed for many years, but they can also pop up any day. So, I don't even blame the violent person, and probably the one who gave him the emotional trauma got it from another also. It is like a vicious "vicious circle". Although I don't blame the person, I do not condone his action, and its best to do everything possible to make sure he does not hurt others.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
stvdv said:
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84% of the world population is said to be religious, hence I said 84%
I assumed that violence is spread evenly among religious as well as non-religious
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No brother. It doesn't work that way. Its a good assumption, but its the logical fallacy of division.

Thats why I asked you about Pirabakaran. If you are not aware of him and his group, do a little bit of research. Just that they are not much in the news now.

Peace.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
Maybe if radicals were overwhelmed by mass anti-Islamic sentiment in common culture, they would learn to live with it better... Or, if not, get caught up quickly in the legal system, so they can be removed from society.
 
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Secret Chief

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
stvdv said:
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84% of the world population is said to be religious, hence I said 84%
I assumed that violence is spread evenly among religious as well as non-religious
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To be fair, you don't hear much of people being radicalised in the Society of Friends :D
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Revoltingest said:
Consider Islamic countries wherein it's not just those wrestling
with psychological issues, but even the government who will
punish apostates, even putting them to death.
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Revoltingest said:
I agree that damaged individuals are going to be more of a problem.
But the OP is about Islamic inspired violence, & the intolerance of
western culture. This is a problem largely independent of 2nd gen
Muslims with mental health issues.
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So Muslim countries and western countries are the same because we punish apostates, even putting them to death.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
stvdv said:
Do you think "World's total violence" would go down IF (hypothetically speaking of course) all humans became/were Atheists
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There have been a lot of wars in the name of religion and most terrorism is religion based. Would there have been less violence, almost certainly.

But there is more to fight about than religion.
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
stvdv said:
Charlie Hebdo Muslim hypocrisy still not cured

Why these Muslims are hypocrites: They impose their religion on others, but criticize other's culture/religion
(Respect goes 2 ways. As long as they belittle other religion, they have no right to object if we do the same)
(The Muslims started this, by imposing their religious rules on the West, and belittling our religion thereby)

*Note: Christians did similar, belittling Muslims/Others. All should grow up, stop belittling, so Peace can prevail

Pakistan PM condemns 'Islamophobic' Charlie Hebdo cartoons - France 24
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I wish you would stop belittling Christians and Muslims like this.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
ChristineM said:
There have been a lot of wars in the name of religion and most terrorism is religion based. Would there have been less violence, almost certainly.

But there is more to fight about than religion.
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People will go to war for anything. It's the way nature has us.

  • The pig war
  • The Nika Riot
  • The war of The Stray Dog
  • The War of Jenkens' Ear
  • The Toledo War
  • The Pastry War
  • Etc.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/6-wars-fought-for-ridiculous-reasons
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
ChristineM said:
There have been a lot of wars in the name of religion and most terrorism is religion based. Would there have been less violence, almost certainly.

But there is more to fight about than religion.
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Sorry if I am belittling your religion but when we look at Communist regimes we do do millions murdered for that particular religion.
 
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