If you see a miracle, will you then believe?

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 27, 2020

columbus said:
Wouldn't it be nice if a demonstrably miraculous medical healing occurred?

Suppose some hero launched into a burning building to save some kid he didn't even know. He saves the child, but gets terribly burned and loses an arm.
A staunch Christian, he prays(along with other Christians across the country, globe even.)

A good miracle would be God replacing his skin and arm. But, as we all know, that never happens.
Tom

God hates amputees, obviously.

Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
Do you listen to the Hovinds? I only ask this because they always whine about how atheists think that humans came from rocks (which is silly, since YEC's think humans came from dirt, which is COMPLETELY different). Anyway, we didn't come from rocks. Or dirt. Our species came from previous related species, on back until you get to some floating amino acids somewhere. It's about chemistry and how atoms can merge to form molecules and how molecules can merge with other molecules and eventually you get amino acids then RNA and then DNA, etc..

You have all matter available, why can't we create life from non living matter,
we have brains and the raw materials, how the stones did it and we can't?

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
A lot of people were products of unplanned circumstances, especially if they lacked good sex education..

I'm talking about humans in general, their brains, eyes, nose, mouth, teeth ..etc

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
This is a planner shocked some kids ate a fruit. If there was a planner like in the bible, He isn't very good at it. He didn't even realize Adam would need a human female to reproduce until much later..

Yes, the nature realized it better, sorry I mean it happened for both to evolve together,
male has penis and nature realized that it should be erected, sorry it happened that
the penis has erection in order fit with the designed hole in the female, oh sorry I mean it
happened that it fixed in the hole(not designed), great .nature indeed, it realized that both should exist, Oh i made a mistake again, I meant it just happened to be so.

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

columbus said:
Wouldn't it be nice if a demonstrably miraculous medical healing occurred?

Suppose some hero launched into a burning building to save some kid he didn't even know. He saves the child, but gets terribly burned and loses an arm.
A staunch Christian, he prays(along with other Christians across the country, globe even.)

A good miracle would be God replacing his skin and arm. But, as we all know, that never happens.
Tom

Even if God will grow a new limb, you'll say I can't see God working around, hence it was the nature.

columbus · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
male has penis and nature realized that it should be erected, sorry it happened that
the penis has erection in order fit with the designed hole in the female, oh sorry I mean it

Get some more education.
Not all species reproduce that way.
There are species of fish where the male eats his way into the body of a female, then sucks her blood while spewing male gametes. There are insects where the male just punches a point through the carapace of a female and dumps "sperm".
Tom

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

columbus said:
Get some more education.
Not all species reproduce that way.
There are species of fish where the male eats his way into the body of a female, then sucks her blood while spewing male gametes. There are insects where the male just punches a point through the carapace of a female and dumps "sperm".
Tom

I were talking about humans

columbus · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
Even if God will grow a new limb, you'll say I can't see God working around, hence it was the nature.

Why would I do that?

You're just making this up because it never happened, but you want to believe in medical miracles. Your "mind reading" abilities are yet more evidence that you're making this up as you go along.

That's exactly what I believe about religion, people making stuff up as they go along. Over the course of centuries, religions morph and vary because humans change. Religion isn't about God, it's about humans and what they prefer to believe about the Unknown.
Tom

columbus · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
I were talking about humans

Most of God's creatures don't reproduce the way humans do.
Tom

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

columbus said:
Why would I do that?

You're just making this up because it never happened, but you want to believe in medical miracles. Your "mind reading" abilities are yet more evidence that you're making this up as you go along.

That's exactly what I believe about religion, people making stuff up as they go along. Over the course of centuries, religions morph and vary because humans change. Religion isn't about God, it's about humans and what they prefer to believe about the Unknown.
Tom

Growing a new limb won't change your mind, you may say some types of rats
in some circumstances regrow their legs without the need for God.

columbus · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
Growing a new limb won't change your mind, you may say some types of rats
in some circumstances regrow their legs without the need for God.

You know, one of the worst arguments religionists make is the mind reading argument.
You believe that because I don't find your beliefs credible, and explain why I don't, I reject God or something.
Tom

columbus · Sep 27, 2020

@FearGod ,
I don't mean this to sound personal. It's the sort of thing I've been experiencing from staunch Abrahamic religionists my whole life.

Mostly Christian folks, because of where I live.
Tom

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

columbus said:
@FearGod ,
I don't mean this to sound personal. It's the sort of thing I've been experiencing from staunch Abrahamic religionists my whole life.

Mostly Christian folks, because of where I live.
Tom

No problem brother, we're only enjoying discussion.

columbus · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
No problem brother, we're only enjoying discussion.

OK, good.

You know what's probably the most irritating of the mind reading arguments?
"You reject God because you just want to go on having gay sex!"

Yeah, I've heard that one many times. Like I wanted to mess up my life by choosing homosexuality in a homophobic world.

Tom

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

columbus said:
OK, good.

You know what's probably the most irritating of the mind reading arguments?
"You reject God because you just want to go on having gay sex!"

Yeah, I've heard that one many times. Like I wanted to mess up my life by choosing homosexuality in a homophobic world.
Tom

Try to approach God, I don't mean any religion, just ask the guidance and
open your heart to a creator that you don't know, try it and who knows may
that change your life for better and if it doesn't work then at least you tried. :hugehug:

Altfish · Sep 27, 2020

Altfish said:
I don't know.but that does interest me.

And now a question for you...

What was before god?

#FearGod

I await your answer??

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

Altfish said:
I don't know.but that does interest me.

And now a question for you...

What was before god?

The answer will be infinity, you may say another God created God and the other God created
by another God and so on, we come to a point that God is always existing and the prophets
described that nothing was before God but God, hard to understood but no escape.

Altfish · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
The answer will be infinity, you may say another God created God and the other God created
by another God and so on, we come to a point that God is always existing and the prophets
described that nothing was before God but God, hard to understood but no escape.

In other words, "You don't know"

I just miss out the last step. I say "I don't know" before I invoke a god.

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

Altfish said:
In other words, "You don't know"

I just miss out the last step. I say "I don't know" before I invoke a god.

The answer was "always existing"

FearGod · Sep 27, 2020

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
Now, I say this as a theist, but the two don't follow. Making someone see does not compare with proving we will be safe in the afterlife, especially when God brags that we should fear Him because unlike others, He can kill souls. His inability to avoid bragging reveals He can off you at any time and His promise of eternal safety is a lie..

That is guessing.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
Yeah. I don't see FearGod suddenly worshiping Ra or whatever because the Egyptian priests also did miracles.

They were magicians, they were making tricks and not miracles.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
God in the bible says He hates. Does that invalidate His claim, then?

Hates whom?

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
"Why would I believe it if I knew it was fake?".

Thanks.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
How to differentiate an unseen force from gravity or the wind?.

How would you see God if unseen, gravity is weird, it's known to be existing but can't be proven.

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
Never played with magnets and iron filings?

Besides, other animals can see them. What is magic to you is simply nature to them

Do you see the electromagnetic waves while travelling in air?

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
Likely a dying universe. History can be cyclical..

That is a guessing

shunyadragon · Sep 27, 2020

FearGod said:
If someone came to you and told you that God exists and you should follow
some instructions in order to be safe in the afterlife, and if it happened that you
asked him for a proof for God's existence and he showed you one such as
healing a blind man and letting him to see.

Will you believe that God exists if you know that the miracle was real or you'll still disbelieve?

I would never know if the miracle was real or not, because I would not know all the possible ways the healing could come about naturally. Supposed miracles are not a reason to believe in God, and I believe in God. I do not fear God, nor try and define God. By the consistent evidence God acts in consistent natural ways.

The word after "miracle" in the dictionary is "mirage."

halbhh · Sep 27, 2020

viole said:
Loving your neighbors, does not exclude hating who is not your neighbor.

So, this was a lesson from the Teacher, Jesus -- our neighbors are anyone we encounter, including those not familiar nearby neighbors.
--> Bible Gateway passage: Luke 10:25-37 - New International Version

It was a radical change.

viole said:
And that is why genocide was allowed, or even promoted, and you could enslave people not belonging to your racial group.

iow, your neighbor was safe, the rest could be killed and enslaved at will.

ciao

- viole

All will face this frighteningly perfect and fair Justice:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares."
Romans 2 NIV

And that my friend is why we need a 'redeemer' to save us from our wrongs.

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