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How many sins before it is too late?

Muffled

Jesus in me
You say where there is a will there is a way. I do say no matter how much will or will power ( sometimes you can’t make it on your own ) Muffles what is the difference between will and will power?

I believe that is why we need Jesus as Lord and Savior.

I believe will is what you want to do but willpower is having such a great desire for it that nothing can stand in the way. I want to go to Disneyworld but many things stand in the way because I simply don't want it badly enough to make sacrifices.
 

Prim969

Member
I believe that is why we need Jesus as Lord and Savior.

I believe will is what you want to do but willpower is having such a great desire for it that nothing can stand in the way. I want to go to Disneyworld but many things stand in the way because I simply don't want it badly enough to make sacrifices.
The will can be a expression of many things. You say ( I believe will is what you want do ) yes that’s right. But It can also mean to resist. You know like wanting to stay in a snuggly warm bed on a chilly winter’s day. But you know you must get out of bed and prepare for the working day.. you than go on to say in conclusion to willpower ( Willpower is having such a great desire for it that nothing can stand in the way ) Muffles some do even say ( Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the law. ) But is it true? Willpower has it’s limits when it comes to humanity though one thing is certain that the willpower of God is absolute power. It be the power of God that reaches out to redeem man, It certainly not be the willpower of man that is able to do. I dare say that the Muffles shall never be allowed to visit the Disney Land. : ) Maybe a one way ticket to Never Never Land would be much more rewarding. Tinker Bell does await ❤️
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The will can be a expression of many things. You say ( I believe will is what you want do ) yes that’s right. But It can also mean to resist. You know like wanting to stay in a snuggly warm bed on a chilly winter’s day. But you know you must get out of bed and prepare for the working day.. you than go on to say in conclusion to willpower ( Willpower is having such a great desire for it that nothing can stand in the way ) Muffles some do even say ( Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the law. ) But is it true? Willpower has it’s limits when it comes to humanity though one thing is certain that the willpower of God is absolute power. It be the power of God that reaches out to redeem man, It certainly not be the willpower of man that is able to do. I dare say that the Muffles shall never be allowed to visit the Disney Land. : ) Maybe a one way ticket to Never Never Land would be much more rewarding. Tinker Bell does await ❤️

I believe one may never say never. I believe I may be on the verge of God doing something new. After all he recruited Moses when he was 80.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I would remind you that the Gospels were written to the Jews and not Gentiles.
Not quite true. Luke was a Gentile writing to Greek Christians.
It is important that born again Christians base their doctrine on the Epistles.
Why? Doctrine was, in the beginning, based upon the Apostles’ teaching, since there were not yet any Christian scriptures. By basing doctrine on the epistles, we miss out on Jesus’ teaching.

Surely you can understand that things changed rather drastically after Jesus died, rose, and ascended. Paul is the one who tells us how things are in this day and age and they are quite different than God's dealing with Israel throughout the OT, including the gospels
The gospels were largely written after the epistles. The gospels reflect later thinking than Paul.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Not quite true. Luke was a Gentile writing to Greek Christians.
Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

Does Luke being a Gentile supersede this clear declaration by Jesus?

Why? Doctrine was, in the beginning, based upon the Apostles’ teaching, since there were not yet any Christian scriptures. By basing doctrine on the epistles, we miss out on Jesus’ teaching.
Are you suggesting that the epistles were somehow not the same as the Apostle's teaching?

Where would one find this "Apostle's teaching" anyway? Apparently it's not in the scriptures.

The gospels were largely written after the epistles. The gospels reflect later thinking than Paul.
If you want to take your doctrine from the gospels, keep this in mind;

Matt 5:28-29,

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.​

If we all actually did that, we'd see churches full of blind people. Also people missing at least one hand,

Matt 5:30,

And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
But I suppose nobody wants to follow Jesus that much!
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Does Luke being a Gentile supersede this clear declaration by Jesus?
Does the statement from Matthew supersede the facts concerning Luke and it’s intended audience? The gospels are not uniform in theology.

Are you suggesting that the epistles were somehow not the same as the Apostle's teaching?
I’m suggesting that some of them were, but remember that those epistles arose from the teachings, themselves, and not the other way round.

Where would one find this "Apostle's teaching" anyway? Apparently it's not in the scriptures.
Early on, it was oral. As were the origins of the gospels.

But I suppose nobody wants to follow Jesus that much!
Ever hear of hyperbole? It’s an effective teaching tool, not meant to be taken literally.
 

Prim969

Member
I believe one may never say never. I believe I may be on the verge of God doing something new. After all he recruited Moses when he was 80.
Moses being recruited by the God at the age of 80. I see. Well Muffles best you not broadcast that good news around too much. Might give government nasty ideas about lifting the age of retirement from 65 to 85 before you can receive the pension. I can just imagine 80 year old Moses zooming along in his wheelchair waving his staff and parting the waves as he leads the Hebrew peoples through the Red Sea.
I believe one may never say never. I believe I may be on the verge of God doing something new. After all he recruited Moses when he was 80.
Moses at the age of 80 being recruited back into Gods service. Muffles I never knew that. Perhaps your right. ( Never say never ) I’m sure Papa Moses at the age of 80 would have been a site to behold leading the way as he waved his staff and parted the Red Sea scooting along in his wheelchair : )
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Moses at the age of 80 being recruited back into Gods service. Muffles I never knew that. Perhaps your right. ( Never say never ) I’m sure Papa Moses at the age of 80 would have been a site to behold leading the way as he waved his staff and parted the Red Sea scooting along in his wheelchair : )
Ps 105:37,

He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and [there was] not one feeble [person] among their tribes.​
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I'm skeptical.... Evidence?

I have an opportunity to use an air ticket and have a notion to visit my relatives in Florida and Disneyworld isn't that far away. Then also have my name in for being on Wheel of Fortune which is in California and a trip to Disneyland could be arranged. I could win the lottery. Granted some of those things are less likely but then life is full of surprises.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Moses being recruited by the God at the age of 80. I see. Well Muffles best you not broadcast that good news around too much. Might give government nasty ideas about lifting the age of retirement from 65 to 85 before you can receive the pension. I can just imagine 80 year old Moses zooming along in his wheelchair waving his staff and parting the waves as he leads the Hebrew peoples through the Red Sea.
Moses at the age of 80 being recruited back into Gods service. Muffles I never knew that. Perhaps your right. ( Never say never ) I’m sure Papa Moses at the age of 80 would have been a site to behold leading the way as he waved his staff and parted the Red Sea scooting along in his wheelchair : )

I believe at 78 I am pretty fit. My only illness is borderline high blood pressure and I work out at the gym to keep my muscles strong. I could even run for president; after all Biden is my age.
 

Prim969

Member
I believe at 78 I am pretty fit. My only illness is borderline high blood pressure and I work out at the gym to keep my muscles strong. I could even run for president; after all Biden is my age.
Muffles you be 78 . You have high blood pressure. Well do be careful not to overwork at the gym. You have very strong muscle I’m very happy to know. You could even run for president you say. Well a Muffles for president does ring a bell though it be a little late for this one. But maybe Muffles for president in the election 2024. I do like very much, and you only be 82. Still very much in the Moses category.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Muffles you be 78 . You have high blood pressure. Well do be careful not to overwork at the gym. You have very strong muscle I’m very happy to know. You could even run for president you say. Well a Muffles for president does ring a bell though it be a little late for this one. But maybe Muffles for president in the election 2024. I do like very much, and you only be 82. Still very much in the Moses category.

I don't find God much interested in having me go into politics. He does like having me do these debates though.
 

Prim969

Member
I don't find God much interested in having me go into politics. He does like having me do these debates though.
Muffles politics are not for the feint hearted maybe more so with being here on the Religious Forums. So I’m much sure that the God will keep you much busy here ❤️
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Muffles politics are not for the feint hearted maybe more so with being here on the Religious Forums. So I’m much sure that the God will keep you much busy here ❤️

I believe He may be getting ready to shake things up. I am in my comfort zone here because reasoning logically is my strength.
 
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