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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Me too!rocka21 said:
Any time.
That's not it at all. It just seems to me that we're arguing about a point that neither of us can prove one way or the other and not making much headway. It also seems like it might have been better placed on a general Biblical debates forum since I can guarantee you that you're going to get a lot of different opinions on angels. Some of these you may fine even more outlandish than you find ours.
Yes, let's make the effort to do that.
rocka21
Brother Rock
jonny said:
yes - neither can they die any more( immortal), for they are equal unto the angels. ( because angels don't die).
it was Jesus saying a man once he is in heaven , he is immortal and used an angel as reference, but it proves that men are DIFFERENT that angels. That what you first wanted. You said......... and i QUOTE
I don't see the words "angels and men are separate beings" anywhere in the scriptures that you posted. Could you please find a direct quote from the scriptures that says that?
then when i prove this point , you say, ok i will agree with you there, but now show men were men cannot become angles in heaven.
and to make a SUPER long arguement short. There is no place saying men cannot become angles and be sent back as ministering spirits, just like it does not say men can become dogs, cats, birds etc. if you want to use your imagination we can go down any road you want.
so i now know that Mormons belive men can become angles by FAITH. thats ok.
i just wanted to make sure for myself that I didn't miss it in the bible.You have to belive the appearance of Moroni by faith, because there is no reference to this happing in the bible that Joseph smith knew at the time.
if i was laying in my bed and a man in a bright light appeared unto me, all i can go on is what i knew at the time. I would have said , hold up, how is a man standing here? weren't you dead? It would have been hard to belive because i had no past history of this happening.
1 John 4 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
I don't see where he tried the spirit. He just did whatever it said to do. Thats the problem i have.
if that is your "Faith" , i respect that.
i just wanted to learn what you thought about angels and Kjv reference to that belief.
SoyLeche
meh...
Different in the same way that my 9 month old son is different from an adult man. Once he gets through puberty he'll be "equal to" the men.rocka21 said:
You realize that Moroni came 3 times that night, and in total the visits lasted the entire night, right? A lot more happened than is recorded.
Also, in another link that I've already provided, Joseph Smith describes a method of testing spirits/angels that visit you. He had lots of experience with them in his life.
Wandered Off
Sporadic Driveby Member
Wow, this is confusing.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
I love the Mormons! I can sum up their message in one line, "Just be nice to everyone!". I admire their family values and the way they live what they believe. Of all the missionaries that come knocking on my door I always have time to spend with the Mormons for a talk on the porch.
rocka21
Brother Rock
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
what do i make of it? what does this have to do with Angels?
i do belive we will have a glorified body in heaven , but we are not turned into angels, nor visit people on earth after death.
see - the witch of endor- ( samuel).
and for the record - no one said , mormons were not nice, kind, genital people.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
what do i make of it? what does this have to do with Angels?
i do belive we will have a glorified body in heaven , but we are not turned into angels, nor visit people on earth after death.
see - the witch of endor- ( samuel).
and for the record - no one said , mormons were not nice, kind, genital people.