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When Should the Unethical Be Illegal?
- Thread starter Left Coast
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Fascinating. So if someone lies to me, and it's an unethical lie, how would I pursue that, legally? Maybe it would be helpful to know what you'd consider an unethical lie.
If we start prosecuting hypocrisy, a lot of people will be in jail. Lol.
I was speaking of unethical behavior. The hypocrisy is only the window dressing.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Not sure lying is necessarily unethical, it depends on the circumstances. Also, ethics is a personal thing on many occasions.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Not in Brazil.
EDIT: Oh, wait. Do you mean when it revolves around a breach of contract? That is not illegal per se here. But the civil code supersedes any agreements, and a violation to the civil code is illegal.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
Unethical is a synonym for immoral, IMO. But not all immoral acts cause serious harm. The justice system should be involved only with those crimes that cause serious harm to innocent citizens.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
In my wife's line of work, there are some cases where the ethical correct thing is to lie.
Some laws are artificial, and some are natural. What happens in any country or any place that outlaws alcohol? It continues to be served and imbibed. That's what happens. This is evidence that laws have limited power in this area. Prohibition of alcohol is therefore not a law of nature by which means we can argue it is an artificial law as opposed to a natural law. Can you outlaw gravity? No. It is natural. Can you legislate gravity? No. It is natural.
Different authorities own the control of different laws. You can try to outlaw smiling, but the heart is in control of smiling. You must appeal to the heart to control smiling, not to written laws. If you hate smiling then conquer the heart or attack the heart. Control the heart to control the smile.
Laws should not be assumed to be perfect. They must be questionable. An unquestionable law is an axiom, not a law. Therefore it is unethical to make something unquestionably illegal. What illegal objective never has exceptions? Show me one, and I'll show you an axiom.
What if we outlaw everything that we think is unethical? Some of our laws will go against nature, some against the heart, some against other authorities and some will be legitimate.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
Or at least that's what she told you.
Brazil has a civil law system.
If an employer fires me without just cause, that is not against the penal code. But against the civil code.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Yep.
Do you mean in Brazil?
That specific matter is not addressed in the civil code here but rather on the labor laws.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Or at least that's what she told you.
Well, no. I have read the teaching books in regards to the ethics of her line of work and they do say that lying is sometimes the ethical correct thing to do.
Indeed...labor laws are all about the employment contract ...so the nature of the legislation is private, not public.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Personally, I take into consideration the harm that has been caused to label a lie unethical or not. I am very much of an utilitarian on this regard.
Regarding your first question, you would, essentially, seek restitution for any material damage, and compensation for any moral damage you had to endure.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Does that also apply to the truth? If I tell you a truth and it causes damage, then what?
When the governing body decides it should.
Illegal, against the law. People given the authority/duty to come together and decide what the laws are. It shouldn't be something decided by an individual alone.
Harm is subjective and ethics is often cultural. I may think something ought to be illegal, like cheating on your spouse. However, a majority of folks feel otherwise so it is not a decision we can make individually.
For me, what I think ought to be illegal, IMO is largely circumstantial. I don't even have a rule of thumb to go by. One has to weigh the pros and cons of each law folks are wanting to implement.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I suppose if it is something that almost always ends up with collective harm.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Indeed...labor laws are all about the employment contract ...so the nature of the legislation is private, not public.
There is actually some debate over how to properly label our labor laws. I side with the opinion that is a mixed kind of legislation. Neither private, nor public.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Depends on the intent. If it was not your intention to cause any damage and you took the proper measures to minimize any foreseeable damage, then you shouldn't have to fork over any money.