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What harm is there in NOT believing God ?

Nimos

Nimos

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chinu said:
Harm is.. missing the possibility of God's existence, IF he really exists.
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As others have asked, how exactly would that be harmful. But also it is purely a wrong statement :D

If God exist, a non believer would experience God just as much as a believer would. I don't see religious people running around all ecstatic claiming that they have been cured by God or that their life is so much better. The first thing a believer does when they get sick is to run to the hospital, shouldn't they run to the churches instead? (Which is good that they do, by the way) But I find it a bit hypocritical to point out non believing as being harmful and to miss out on God, because they rely on other humans for their wellbeing, but the moment the **** hits the fan, the believers choose the non believers solutions rather than their own so called "non harmful" way. :)

IF God really exist as you state then isn't it to spit in his face not to rely on him for help and salvation rather than some poor schmuck of a doctor, which is only human?
 
R

rational experiences

Veteran Member
As a spiritual researcher I was never harmed in not believing in God, but I always believed in a spiritual life by spirit experience.

Which I never explained was God.

As I realised everyone was first a human and most of us spiritually motivated to love self and extended family in a unity of human self support, then obvious as we live just as a human, then it was important first to be that spiritual human.

Not believing in the statements about God did not alter my spirituality at all.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Nimos said:
IF God really exist as you state then isn't it to spit in his face not to rely on him for help and salvation rather than some poor schmuck of a doctor, which is only human?
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Haven't you heard a story of a man sitting on a rooftop. Water is rising. A few boats with come along offering help. Man insist "God must come to help me". Man drowns coming at the "Gate of Heaven", blaming God for not rescuing him. to which God answers "I send many people with boats" YOU FOOL ? :)
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
rational experiences said:
As a spiritual researcher I was never harmed in not believing in God, but I always believed in a spiritual life by spirit experience.

Which I never explained was God.

As I realised everyone was first a human and most of us spiritually motivated to love self and extended family in a unity of human self support, then obvious as we live just as a human, then it was important first to be that spiritual human.

Not believing in the statements about God did not alter my spirituality at all.
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Thank you for your valuable input :)
 
Augustus

Augustus

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chinu said:
For example: Kid believes he has parent. Its complete and enough.
There's NO need add any other unnecessarily belief to it.
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Humans add, combine and reason from other beliefs, it's what we do. Treating beliefs as monads that can be isolated like an insect in a jar is a bit silly really.

If you believe there is no god, then that influences your view of a world that has been and still is shaped by theistic religions.

For example, people from Nietzsche to Lenin have believed that if there is no god, the the modern Western system of morality which is essentially Christian, is based on a lie and should be discarded.
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
chinu said:
Haven't you heard a story of a man sitting on a rooftop. Water is rising. A few boats with come along offering help. Man insist "God must come to help me". Man drowns coming at the "Gate of Heaven", blaming God for not rescuing him. to which God answers "I send many people with boats" YOU FOOL ? :)
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They should rescue him without asking a permission from him, but anyway a nice story.:)
 
Gargovic Malkav

Gargovic Malkav

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chinu said:
Believers, provide example of any harm in NOT believing God ?
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Awhile back I heard this story about a young man who shot and killed his mother. He didn't do it because he hated her, but because he wanted to know what it was like to kill his own mom. After he killed her he made some posts on social media about how death is just non-existing, emptiness. He expressed he didn't believe there is a God and that he won't be judged for his actions. He also expressed that no-one in his shoes would want to live on after doing such a terrible thing. After that he committed suicide if I'm not mistaken. Not sure this is what you meant with the question, but it made me think about this.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Gargovic Malkav said:
Awhile back I heard this story about a young man who shot and killed his mother. He didn't do it because he hated her, but because he wanted to know what it was like to kill his own mom. After he killed her he made some posts on social media about how death is just non-existing, emptiness. He expressed he didn't believe there is a God and that he won't be judged for his actions. He also expressed that no-one in his shoes would want to live on after doing such a terrible thing. After that he committed suicide if I'm not mistaken. Not sure this is what you meant with the question, but it made me think about this.
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Thank you for your valuable input! :)
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
chinu said:
Sorry, I missed to write in the story that there were many other people who were crying for help :)

Thank you. :)
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If God was able to send people to where he was, why the need to cry for a help
while actually they were sent by God to help, nice story but needs some modifications:)
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
What harm is there in NOT believing God ?
chinu said:
Believers, provide example of any harm in NOT believing God ?
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chinu said:
Harm is.. missing the possibility of God's existence, IF he really exists.
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You narrowed this one down quite a bit:D:D
God has been growing my grass so fast
THAT I first need to maw the lawn
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
FearGod said:
If God was able to send people to where he was, why the need to cry for a help
while actually they were sent by God to help, nice story but needs some modifications:)
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It is a very good question and I think no modification required.

Actually, one cannot escape the justice/law of nature "Tho shall you sow, so shall you reap"
How much one will cry, and how much not. It all depends on ones past deeds.
 
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